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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

damn, I'm so far behind
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back to my card.

I've been having a long discussion with the CEO of OCIA (OverClocker's Intelligence Agency www.ocia.net ) through e-mail. He is the one who wrote the guide in the thread I linked to in my first post.

The problem I've been encountering was that I had to unlock the pipes with the *.bat file every time I started Windows. Now, that's just annoying. Well, we talked it over and neither of us had a solution, but I still really enjoyed our discussions. Kudos to you Shawn!!

Well, all was fixed with the latest version of RivaTuner. Download it at www.guru3d.com . If you have issues unlocking or can't figure out how to run the NVStrap driver, just message me here at the boards and I will help you unlock it. Permanently. owned

Now, back to the OC. I am now stable (OCing the real way using PowerStrip) at 370/900 and I still haven't even come close to artifacting. It passed 150 runs of the Regulator time demo on Far Cry without problems. Now proceeding to OC a little more on the core and push it through 3DMark 05 a few times.

Will post back with results.

Oh yeah, Damn these 6800s kick arse. cool big grin
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yeah, for my great bud Black Wolf:

Speeds - 370/900

Idle GPU: 45C
Load GPU: 56C

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Final update:

My OC has maxed at 381/900. I managed to push the memory all the way to 950mhz with no visual artifacts, but the FPS just kept dropping the higher I went. Weird. Core would do 400mhz but started artifacting, so I brought it back down.

All in all, I'm performing on par with a 6800GT for about $100 less (after NV Silencer 5) and a much better cooling solutin than most. cool

I highly recommend doing this mod. But, as always, I'm not responsible if you fry it. That's your own fault.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which card is that again? I'll get one lol
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sabrewings wrote:
Oh yeah, for my great bud Black Wolf:


Wow someone could get hurt in hear with all the sarcasm flying around lol

Sabrewings wrote:

Speeds - 370/900

Idle GPU: 45C
Load GPU: 56C


Sweet Sabre.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThEvil0nE wrote:
Which card is that again? I'll get one lol


Check out the first post. I detailed all my purchases there.

For reference, I didn't use the thermal paste that came with the NV Silencer 5. I used AS5 on all 8 memory chips and the core. It's running very cool.... cool
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Further update. The NVStrap method isn't perfect. One way or the other RivaTuner has to be run before the pipes become unlocked. But, you can't see that they're unlocked without running RivaTuner. Most users might not've noticed. I tested the theory through benchies.

The real trick comes with pulling an image of the VGA BIOS and using one of the patch scripts to mod the image into unlocking the pipes before the registry has a chance to shut them down.

You need to understand how the masking of the pipes works. Some people like to think that Nvidia actually shut down the pipes cold back at the fab plant, but this is incorrect. The shutting down of the pipes is actually done by the card the core sits on, not the core itself. A particular brand could use perfectly good (as in no defects) NV40s on normal 6800 cards without a problem. The company would just design the board to lock out those pipes so Nvidia will allow them to sell it.

Now, this is why I recommend using XFX for this mod. I have yet to see an XFX 6800 that has damaged pipes, not simply locked ones. With other companies, like eVGA, Gainward, etc, they're a little more inconsistent in that some of their chips are the ones that Nvidia tested and saw had bad pipes. These will artifact or even cause your machine to lock-up if you try to enable them.

My personal belief is that XFX is just being efficient and throwing the slower of the perfectly good "GT" cores onto 6800 boards that are designed to lock some of the pipes. My card is a perfect example in that even with the locked pipes active, it will still do 381mhz on the core.

On to how the boards lock the pipes. There is a resistor mask location for every set of 4 pixel pipes (Nvidia grouped them in sets of 4) and every single vertex pipe in the core. Now, if a resistor is soldered to that location, here is what happens. On boot, only the first 4 pixel pipes are running and no vertex pipes. This simply shows loading screens and the BIOS interface. As Windows loads, the registry signals these mask locations. Where it detects a resistor, it now knows the manufacturer wants those pipes locked and then enables whatever is left for regular operation. All this happens during that Starting Up screen. So, a simple registry change will enable all the pipes, right? Sorry, but no.

These registry settings aren't saved on the HDD. They stay in the system memory or swap file. We need to have some way of beating the registry to the punch and keep those pipes open. What is going before the registry? Well, you motherboard's BIOS and... you guessed it. The VGA BIOS.

Unwinder included in the RC15.3 edition of RivaTuner a patch script which will mod an NV40 BIOS image to keep the pipes unlocked, bypassing that "hardware" mask. Then, all you need to do is use NVFlash to flash the new BIOS to your card and your set.

Very Important!!! Properly test your pipes with the NVStrap driver before doing this. If those pipes are bad, then you'll be in a world of hurt when your VGA BIOS forces them to work. In some cases, you might never get the thing to load to Windows anymore. ALWAYS save a copy of your old BIOS as well. Anyone not familiar with flashing a VGA BIOS should read the directions and disclaimers associated with it before attempting. No bull, it can be risky. If nothing else, have a PCI video card handy in case the flash goes bad and you need to reflash the AGP/PCIe card.

Again, this is why I recommend the XFX since they're using a GREAT batch of NV40 chips. This guarantee won't hold for more than a few months as cards with a different batch of NV40s that XFX bought hit market. We'll have to wait and see.

Assuming all is well, your card will automatically configure itself for 16x1 6VP on boot. Even if you move it to another PC. Well, I wish you luck and any questions can be directed to me here through private messages. I will gladly do what I can.

Personally, I've only played with this option. Tonight, I'm going to go all the way and flash it with the modded BIOS. Will post back with a final update on the results.

Edit: Mental note - update signature image.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, job is done. NVFlash was being a pain, but besides that...

Works fine. big grin
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe a dumb question here, but should it make a difference if the 6800 card is AGP or PCIe?

Just curious. lachen
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