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Bolgan
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 Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:51 am Post subject: What kind of job market is there for programming? |
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| I'm very interested in going to College and taking Computer Programming (C++, etc.), and was wondering what the job market was like. |
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thomas_w_bowman
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 4:31 am Post subject: |
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Check out Monster.com...
I am a COBOL programmer who works with Large Financial Systems (Banks, Insurance, Etc.) - and my contract with Iowa MMIS (Medicare/Medicaid) just ran out, we'll see how long it takes to find more work...
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snap355
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| YOu can also do a search to see what's out there at monster.com, careerbuilder.com. Also talk to headhunters as they should be the most knowledgeable in the market to tell you your info |
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tribaloverkill
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Thats the one crappy thing about programming,... once your done, your done. Time to find more work.
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atang1
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The real question about programming jobs is the classification of jobs.
I recently learned that ebay has consignment shops and they hire listers for $8.00/hr.
I had learned many years ago, that Microsoft use job shops for their programming work. Some job shops specialized on vietnamese. There, on piece work, hourly wages may be netting only $5.00/hr.
On the other hand, doing(setup) webpages may be $16.00 to $25.00 /hr.
Programming and debugging jobs, full time with software companies vary; yearly salary range goes up to $60.000/yr from $45,000. But can you believe that Win NT was written by one person in San Francisco. How much is he worth?
Any one has more statistics, please join in? Craiglist will give us even higher expectations, but is it real? |
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unterhausen
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| atang1 wrote: | But can you believe that Win NT was written by one person in San Francisco. How much is he worth?
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I'm sure there are hundreds of software developers in Redmond that would be suprised that only one person wrote NT.
Programming is pretty soft right now. If you're an American citizen you can get a defense related job without that much trouble. Particularly if you already have a security clearance. If you are really good at it and are willing to study so you understand what is going on with the operating system and networks and computer science theory, you probably are not going to have too many problems keeping a job. On the other hand, if you barely slide through and end up as a C# or visual basic programmer doing pedestrian data entry apps, every job you get comes equipped with a shipping label for a destination in India and you'll just be waiting for UPS to come pick it up. |
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atang1
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Jobs going overseas are overrated unless your job has been eliminated.
What we do, is to raise the standard of living in low wage countries, and the jobs come back. Remember, the Japanese imported cars. When Detroit made bigger cars, Japanese production plants were too small to handle huge cars. Their ships are not designed for larege cars either. So, in the middle 1990s, Every car manufacturer came to US to buils cars. GM and Ford own most of them partially, counts too.
Mexican migrant workers stayed home, because we have conbine attachements built to do harvesting. Corn stalks were picked, cut for compost, all in one operation. Then we buy huge quantities of mangoes and melons to keep Mexicans at home. Pick on their own fruits.
For each rich people, we need nine people to support them in the economy. One dollar spent the economy gains nine dollars. When China and India create more rich people, they will have nobody to give us service. Its way of life.
India is already farming out IT jobs to the old iron curtain countries, instead of training their own countrymen.
So, cheer up, it only takes time to get the jobs back and then some. In the end we still need more automation, because we are short of skilled labor. |
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olly
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| atang1 wrote: | Jobs going overseas are overrated unless your job has been eliminated.
What we do, is to raise the standard of living in low wage countries, and the jobs come back. Remember, the Japanese imported cars. When Detroit made bigger cars, Japanese production plants were too small to handle huge cars. Their ships are not designed for larege cars either. So, in the middle 1990s, Every car manufacturer came to US to buils cars. GM and Ford own most of them partially, counts too.
Mexican migrant workers stayed home, because we have conbine attachements built to do harvesting. Corn stalks were picked, cut for compost, all in one operation. Then we buy huge quantities of mangoes and melons to keep Mexicans at home. Pick on their own fruits.
For each rich people, we need nine people to support them in the economy. One dollar spent the economy gains nine dollars. When China and India create more rich people, they will have nobody to give us service. Its way of life.
India is already farming out IT jobs to the old iron curtain countries, instead of training their own countrymen.
So, cheer up, it only takes time to get the jobs back and then some. In the end we still need more automation, because we are short of skilled labor. |
Great post that cheers up this SWE student no end  Thanks |
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