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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

first off, i've had very few bsod's since my last post, maybe 4. not enough to get going on the psu changeout. running ram at 800 speeds seems to be stable enough for my purposes.

ok, so today i got home from work a little early, turned on the pc, and the win7 welcome logo just floats there for ever... hmm, weird... reset using the reset button, try again, same result. same thing with the winxp install from seperate hdd... damned! safe mode won't get in, just shows black screen. so i shut down holding the power button 4 seconds, unplug the power from the psu, rock the power switch off then on, plug power back to psu, and start her up. success, gets into win7, everything looks ok, but the bd burner is not showing up, nothing changed, it's plugged in... hmmmmm.

so i pull an antec neo he 650r psu sitting on the shelf and install it.
computer starts right up, bd burner is there, and all is well.
next i'll try ramping the ram up to 1066, then 1333 and see if i'm stable.

it is a little warm around were these days, so it may very well be that the old pcp&c is finally getting to ghost (good call Mr. T). will report back as i ramp up the ram again.

one interesting thing i just noticed is with the old psu in, and setting ram to 800... i looked in the bios today, ram set to 800, but after i got the machine going before changing out the psu i looked at amd overdrive, and it is telling me the ram is running at 667 (1333 effective), but now with the new psu the ram is running at 400 (800 effective)... so i'd guess there was something with the old psu that wasn't regulating something right to have that difference between what i was telling the bios to do, and what amd overdrive was reporting in the os.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pumped the ram up to 1066 last night, running like a dream.
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crucial ballistix 2x4gb sport ddr3-1333
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antec neo he 650r
seagate 500GB 32M cache
toshiba 2TB HDD 64M cache sata3
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With all those storage drives demanding power, likely the PSU was "on the edge" of stability. The +3.3 volt and +5 volt sources are the most heavily loaded. But the +12 volt source can also affect other sources, if loaded to its limit.
Whatever the FSB requirements of the CPU, memory has to be compatible. Faster memory types will normally clock down to the FSB speed, without errors. But "value" type memory may not have the headroom to clock above the rated speed. And with present CPU designs having the memory controller on the die, lower voltages for memory access are required for the modules. Higher-voltage modules may not be stable at lower voltages.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lachen so in the end it was the power supply. the pattern is not always really clear but very distinctive, gradual degradation in stability... thanks for letting us know all is well now.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DUMP3b4a.tmp 9/3/2012 10:38:19 AM SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION 0x0000003b 00000000`c0000005 fffff800`02ce4959 fffff880`07ce3da0 00000000`00000000 ntoskrnl.exe ntoskrnl.exe+7f1c0 x64 ntoskrnl.exe+7f1c0 D:\DUMP3b4a.tmp 3 15 7601 286,977
well, i think the psu was getting a little towards it's power envelope, and that was causing issues when i put the latest addition of the bd burner in it, adding to the whole power need. but as it happens the bsod's are back. above is the latest one (happened just now). i had an additional one overnight that said bad pool header with a code of 19. it did point to a .sys file, but i didn't note which one.
this is happening with me raising the ram speed up to 1066. ram is certainly suspect on the bsod's. when i get a chance to purchase some new ram, i'll report if the bsod's continue or not.
prolly gonna drop ram speed back down to 800, for now.

psu runs all in my sig plus one more 160 gb hdd which is my xp install, plus 5 80 mil fans, and a front end usb card reader with 3 ports, and a two port pci-e sata controller card.
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asrock 970 extreme3
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zalman cpns5x performa hs/fan
crucial ballistix 2x4gb sport ddr3-1333
powercolor ax7750 1GBK3-H vga
antec neo he 650r
seagate 500GB 32M cache
toshiba 2TB HDD 64M cache sata3
seagate 1TB HDD 64M cache sata3
hitachi 2TB HDD 64M cache sata3
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

new ram on the way... too tired of these bsod's. crucial ballistix for $28, 2x4gb.
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zalman cpns5x performa hs/fan
crucial ballistix 2x4gb sport ddr3-1333
powercolor ax7750 1GBK3-H vga
antec neo he 650r
seagate 500GB 32M cache
toshiba 2TB HDD 64M cache sata3
seagate 1TB HDD 64M cache sata3
hitachi 2TB HDD 64M cache sata3
lg wh14ns40 bd burner
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

new ram is in, so far so good at 1333 speeds.
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asrock 970 extreme3
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crucial ballistix 2x4gb sport ddr3-1333
powercolor ax7750 1GBK3-H vga
antec neo he 650r
seagate 500GB 32M cache
toshiba 2TB HDD 64M cache sata3
seagate 1TB HDD 64M cache sata3
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

9 days since new ram... 0 issues. methinks this is a done deal.
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zalman cpns5x performa hs/fan
crucial ballistix 2x4gb sport ddr3-1333
powercolor ax7750 1GBK3-H vga
antec neo he 650r
seagate 500GB 32M cache
toshiba 2TB HDD 64M cache sata3
seagate 1TB HDD 64M cache sata3
hitachi 2TB HDD 64M cache sata3
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The rating on memory modules is their certified limit for 100% stability. Going higher than the rated clock speed will always invite paging errors. Using hither-speed memory classes is the safest means of getting into the overclocked arena.
All it takes is maybe 5 Hz faster FSB base frequency to trigger "value" grade modules to have paging errors!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was actually UNDERclocking the old ram i had in this system, and still had issues.
the new ram is set to defualt, and is running at 1333 just fine.
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asrock 970 extreme3
AMD athlonII X3 440
zalman cpns5x performa hs/fan
crucial ballistix 2x4gb sport ddr3-1333
powercolor ax7750 1GBK3-H vga
antec neo he 650r
seagate 500GB 32M cache
toshiba 2TB HDD 64M cache sata3
seagate 1TB HDD 64M cache sata3
hitachi 2TB HDD 64M cache sata3
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