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Brickstin
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 Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:10 pm Post subject: 102156Gateway Notebook Ram + HD Seagate fitting Issue |
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I have a 102156 Gateway Notebook Motherboard that I am working on.. ON the gateway website it says the max support is 1024 MB..
But I don't know if that is 2x512 or just 1 GIG stick in one DIMM....
It works on a Gateway® 7215GX Notebook
The socket support is 462... but the processor IS A 453 on it.
Any advise would help.. as I need to know if each dim supports 1GB sticks in each dim.. because if it can then the max memory could support be 2 Gigabytes.
If not then it would be max support dimm 512 ?
This configuration is so old.. and out dated it's hard for me to find any information on this motherboard or it's support sections, and at least not with out warranty support... This unit is very old... so I cannot get answers from the gateway/acer Techs online or anything with out paying a membership.
Thank you in advance,
Erick J. Vasquez
PC ER Services, Inc.
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Mr T
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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With a gatway laptop that old, it will be 2 x 512mb of DDR333... 1Gb sticks will be incompatible.
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Brickstin
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:31 pm Post subject: I figured |
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| Mr T wrote: | | With a gatway laptop that old, it will be 2 x 512mb of DDR333... 1Gb sticks will be incompatible. |
Thanks I figured that might have been the case: I just needed confirmation.
Thanks for the help,
Sincerely in thanks,
Erick
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Brickstin
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:47 pm Post subject: Another Issue!!!! |
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ok... I had to replace the hard drive because it had bad sectors.. but now I have another problem...
For some reason the new IDE interface drive that I put in is not Working.. When I put it in. The HD light stays on with no flickering or blinking.. It just stays in like it's trying to initialize ... But it doesn't when I go to the bios.. BOTH the primary and the SEcondary channels are empty.. And this Laptop the Gateway 7215GX doesn't seem to pick it up.
IT can still read the original one: it's an Hitachi Travelstar DK23FA-60
4200 RPM
Disk Interface Ultra-ATA/100
I am thinking it's a aka ATA-5 (Enhanced IDE), But I could be wrong?
More info here : http://www.hdsentinel.com/storageinfo_details.php?lang=en&model=HITACHI_DK23FA-60
Buffer-Host Max. Rate 100 MB/seconds
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----------------- I tried testing on another Hitachi Drive too-----------------
This one was a DK23CA-20
All the specs on DK23CA-20 is here https://www1.hgst.com/hdd/support/dk/2/23ca20spec.html
Anyhow.. Point is when I connect it.... They both work.. Except for the new Seagate.. I just don't get it.. Perhaps a jumper setting is needed?
This is the new drive :
Momentus 5400.3
ST980815A
Interface IDE Ultra ATA100 / ATA-6
80GB
Cache 8MB
RPM is 5400 RPM ...
So my question is... Is there a way to fix this? or thus again this Motherboard is completely incompatible?
It's just so weird how only this seagate disables the 2nd and 1st IDE connectors on this laptop.. I even tried pulling out the CD RW drive out of the connection and see if the drive will work by it self.. To no avail: still a blue Hard drive light solid on. |
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Karlsweldt
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:23 am Post subject: |
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That ST980815A is only an 80 gig drive.. not much larger than the original. But it may be the cylinder count is out of range of the BIOS limits.. all too common with older computers/laptops needing new hard drives. But you may be able to access it using a service (boot) disk with an older OS version, like Win 98SE or similar. Create a primary partition within the BIOS limits as to cylinder count, and you should be GTG. Or use an OS install disk similar to Win XP, or even Linux versions.
The ribbon connector for the laptop ATA hard drives should contain a jumper, if required.. you don't need an added one. But all hard drives are not configured the same way! Some need a jumper for stand-alone, others none. Or a jumper for 'slave' function or not. Check the labels of the two drives to see if there is a difference. Your unit may be semi-dedicated to one hard drive brand or model. But make a check to ensure there are no bent connector pins, and that the ribbon connectors are fully seated. Typically, if the connectors are not fully seated, the drive will not self-ID to the POST pre-boot system checks. Rare to have a 2.5" drive not spin up. Listen to it using a short length of soft tubing at your ear. You should hear a faint whir and a bit of 'swishing' sounds as it powers up. If not, then the drive may be defective or not getting power.
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Brickstin
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:19 am Post subject: Laptop only |
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| Karlsweldt wrote: | That ST980815A is only an 80 gig drive.. not much larger than the original. But it may be the cylinder count is out of range of the BIOS limits.. all too common with older computers/laptops needing new hard drives. But you may be able to access it using a service (boot) disk with an older OS version, like Win 98SE or similar. Create a primary partition within the BIOS limits as to cylinder count, and you should be GTG. Or use an OS install disk similar to Win XP, or even Linux versions.
The ribbon connector for the laptop ATA hard drives should contain a jumper, if required.. you don't need an added one. But all hard drives are not configured the same way! Some need a jumper for stand-alone, others none. Or a jumper for 'slave' function or not. Check the labels of the two drives to see if there is a difference. Your unit may be semi-dedicated to one hard drive brand or model. But make a check to ensure there are no bent connector pins, and that the ribbon connectors are fully seated. Typically, if the connectors are not fully seated, the drive will not self-ID to the POST pre-boot system checks. Rare to have a 2.5" drive not spin up. Listen to it using a short length of soft tubing at your ear. You should hear a faint whir and a bit of 'swishing' sounds as it powers up. If not, then the drive may be defective or not getting power. |
I had posted that This is a laptop system.. As far as the checks for the BIOS as you mentioned I can't configure something the BIOS cannot Detect.. .... There is no way to have this laptop start up from a FLoppy much less anything else.. I cant even boot from the CD-ROM because the CD ROM becomes disabled when the Hard drive is inserted.. Again.
The Hard drive light just stays on.. The Hard drive does indeed Power up, and I have connected to my diagnosis work bench and the hard drive is in perfect condition: no bad sectors and the SA area is completely normal.
This is a brand new drive and the jumper is set to Master, it needs to be set to master because it's the Primary channel, IDE 0
The CD ROM runs on Secondary Channel, IDE 0.
There is no config jumper settings for the CD -ROM reader.. It's not something that can be configured, I have already looked on this thing by taking it out, looking at the back were the (serial semi type?) connection goes.. and to no avail. NOthing..
Also I don't know the cylinder, sector, heads config on the Seagate Momentus drive I got for this thing in seagate.. There is no table.. Which is why I am having trouble getting the boundries and correct calculations to get the measurements set inside the bios to see if it will not cause this problem.
It may be because of a certain config that this laptop will only work with.. It may be because of the ATA config, and the RPM Limits.
This older HD was a 4200 RPM with a ATA 5 only
The newer drive is a 5400 RPM ATA6
So I don't know.. I know it's not a voltage amperage issue because this Seagate only takes 0.487 Amps.. The older one took 0.5 Amps
So it's really getting full power.
I don't know if it's a damaged IDE 2.5" interface.. I noticed that some of the plastic guide that leads straight into the pin slots is warped but.. I have already tried two drives and checked the connections and it fully works. If one of the pins was not getting connection then the other two drives would not work either..
I don't get it,,.. it's like this thing is acting up like the way a FLoopy drive is constantly green light scanning as though the ribbon cable was plugged in upside down.. I have accidentally done that before.. and had to rotate it: But the thing is I know exactly how to mount this thing into the Drive bay bracket and then push the bracket drive kit into the slot of the laptop compartment. It's kinda idiot proof considering the way the drive mounts onto the HDD Bay Bracket.
so I know it's connecting properly onto the IDE interface inside the laptop.
When I plugged in the Older drive.. I notice that the old HD is a master, and the CD ROM is slave.
So yeah.. what gives? I've even tried setting the new drive to Master with jumper, and even cable select,..
There has to be another jumper position for SPECIAL Vintage settings.. I have seen all drives with this capability for backwards compatibility issues.
But again.. Seagate website.. is soo difficult to FIND the correct Data needed to further trouble shoot to see if it's just a Jumper issue or not and a drive that is completely incompatible with this old laptop.
Sincerely,
Erick
PC ER Services, Inc.
http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/Gateway/7305GZ/4139nv.shtml |
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Mr T
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Looks like a drive to laptop compatibility issue.. Is there a BIOS update for the laptop? No and on the specs listed it will take an ATA6 drive....
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:27 am Post subject: Alignment is the problem. |
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| Mr T wrote: | | Looks like a drive to laptop compatibility issue.. Is there a BIOS update for the laptop? No and on the specs listed it will take an ATA6 drive.... |
You know what.. I decided to do a little test.. For some reason this drive was a lot harder to push into the IDE interface then the other two drives.. I've notice theres a IDE interface connection depth difference in the hitachi drives compared to the Seagate..
So I decided to take apart the laptop and manually connect the drive..
IT BOOTED UP!!!!
So the Seagate works.. Yes your correct it is ATA6 Compatible.
IT has something to do with the alignment of the bay tray that holds the drive and the depth height on the 2.5" HD Bay shield that is inside the laptop.. I loosened up the screws and I was able to slide it in properly.. It is either too short or too tall.. I am trying to take measurements to correct this issue.
Leave it up to Seagate.. It always has a different size match up to HDD bays on laptops and not only laptops but also to hard drives in the Play Station 2 Unit.. as I created a custom built PS2 System with a Linux based OS in the hard drive to run the back up copies of my Ps2 games..
I actually had to adjust the spread from the power supply connection between the IDE connector on the LAN / HDD adapter on the Play station unit. It's an old Fat version type.
Yes I like to game once in a while: Gotta have your fun 
P.S You guys can Mark this as solved, Seagate interfaces have different measurement shapes from the Molex power supply side and jumper side and to the IDE interface. It even has different depth from the PCB Board to the top of the cap of the hard drive..
Again you may have to do some re shaping for the drive's interfaces to fit properly when it comes to laptops and PS2 Units.
Thats why a samsung or Fiji HD or Hitachi fits properly in these pritaratory (Spelling?) fixtures. But if you get a different model.. your going to have to do some shaping or moving around to get it to seat properly. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:40 am Post subject: |
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Good to hear your sleuthing has resolved the issue! This will be a helpful guide to others experiencing the same problem. Sometimes, you have to make "adjustments" to fit an item!!
Yes, there are different sizes of hard drives.. of all brands/varieties. Some are 'low-profile' or 'small-footprint', others are a 'standard' size.
With the data connector for 2.5" drives, the power comes in on the ribbon.. no separate power leads as with 3.5" drives. And that connector is polarized to go on only one way. With the 3.5" drives, there is a key tab on almost all connectors.. so they are also polarized to connect only one way. But the socket for that connector (on the drive) may have an opposite slot for the key! Clue here is that the marker end of the ribbon (colored stripe) must always be nearest the power socket. SATA drives are keyed to connect only one way, no chance of improper connections.
As with any class of product, there are copyright laws about designs.. and if you copy another company's design, you have to pay them royalties for the copy license.. or suffer huge court settlements for infringement. Would be a far too simple world if all similar products were identical in design and size.. but then life would be without a challenge to our ingenuity.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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Please check to see if there's some sort of small adapter attached to the original drive. Many times laptop manufacturers are using some sort of mini-tray around their harddisks...
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