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Best XP replacement

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Windows 7
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83%
Linux
1
17%
Windows 8.1
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Vote and/or advise on XP replacement on this special day.

Postby jcn » Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:51 am

As updates for XP ends 8th April, :( I need to replace my OS for the system below. Not sure yet if my system will run a new OS and not sure about drivers, particularly my graphics board as only XP drivers available after takeover of ATI.

Normally, I would just go to the newest windows but don't like windows 8 so I'm looking for alternatives.

I think my choices are

(1) Windows 7 (My most likely choice)

(2) Linux. Which version? One of my concerns about this is that it's open source; does this mean that anybody can read and change the code? Doesn’t that mean that it's easily hackable?

(3) Windows 8.1. Does this have a taskbar and tray?

I would appreciate your advice and voting results.

Thanks.
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Postby Roach412 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:22 am

i would go win7, but mostly that's because i haven't needed to use win8 much.

there's an update coming to win8.1 that is supposed to make it even closer to win7 - but, i haven't seen it in action yet.

what graphics card do you have? i'd be willing to bet others have come up with workable drivers in win7 for them...just have to find them.

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Postby Karlsweldt » Wed Apr 09, 2014 5:46 am

I too would go with Win 7. While it may mean a full reinstall of all other programming, the only alternate choice is an upgrade to Vista..
then to Win 7 or 8. PDT_Armataz_01_02 The Win 8 versions are more intended toward portable devices such as tablets or "smart" phones with touch screens. How many desktop units have a touch screen? Yet thankfully, only those features needed are installed.

For upgrade to Win 7 or Win 8, minimum needs:
1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor
1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit)
16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)
DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver
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Postby Mr T » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:25 am

XP will be fine for the time being....

Win7 and Win8 may/may not run on that setup as the chipset is old and the AGP card is too old - driver issues. Linux will run fine on it, but if you use windows based programs, stick with XP. I know I had to use the driver hack to get newer video cards than the 9700pro to run on windows 7. Overall, I would avoid updating the operating system on an elderly setup like yours to a new version as it can and usually is a lot more bother than its worth, esp with drivers..
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Postby jcn » Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:33 am

Roach412 wrote:i would go win7, but mostly that's because i haven't needed to use win8 much.

there's an update coming to win8.1 that is supposed to make it even closer to win7 - but, i haven't seen it in action yet.

what graphics card do you have? i'd be willing to bet others have come up with workable drivers in win7 for them...just have to find them.

-Roach

Thanks Roach412. It's great if there is an update for 8.1 if it makes it closer to 7, I suppose an update making it closer to XP is too much to hope for. :roll: I think the ATI driver problem is a bad one for me. :?
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Postby Mark H » Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:44 am

Just upgraded an old ASUS A8V to Win 7 and found an HIS HD4350 AGP card at Newegg with Windows 7 drivers on the install disk. Installed fine. Windows also had all motherboard drivers.
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Postby jcn » Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:48 am

Karlsweldt wrote:I too would go with Win 7. While it may mean a full reinstall of all other programming, the only alternate choice is an upgrade to Vista..
then to Win 7 or 8. PDT_Armataz_01_02 The Win 8 versions are more intended toward portable devices such as tablets or "smart" phones with touch screens. How many desktop units have a touch screen? Yet thankfully, only those features needed are installed.

For upgrade to Win 7 or Win 8, minimum needs:
1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor
1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit)
16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)
DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver

Thanks Karlsweldt. Very useful info. :D Processor, RAM and disk space ok but graphics device may be a problem, It will be difficult to upgrade as my motherboard uses AGP, current ones don't, do they? Perhaps there is an older graphics card I can use with an AGP slot?
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Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.53GHz Northwood.
3GB DDR.
Gigabyte ATI Radeon R9700 PRO Graphics Accelerator.
USB Modem for BB.
Maxtor 80GB hard drive.
52x CD ROM Drive.
Floppy Drive.
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition.
PSU, 420 W, P4.
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Postby jcn » Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:04 am

Mr T wrote:XP will be fine for the time being....

Win7 and Win8 may/may not run on that setup as the chipset is old and the AGP card is too old - driver issues. Linux will run fine on it, but if you use windows based programs, stick with XP. I know I had to use the driver hack to get newer video cards than the 9700pro to run on windows 7. Overall, I would avoid updating the operating system on an elderly setup like yours to a new version as it can and usually is a lot more bother than its worth, esp with drivers..

Thanks Mr T. It’s great that you say that XP is ok for a while; I would like to use it forever. :roll:
What do you mean by a drive hack? Would the existing graphics driver work on a newer OS?
Maybe I should think about a new build, which would be great fun but I really like my system as it is.
ASUS P4S8X motherboard.
Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.53GHz Northwood.
3GB DDR.
Gigabyte ATI Radeon R9700 PRO Graphics Accelerator.
USB Modem for BB.
Maxtor 80GB hard drive.
52x CD ROM Drive.
Floppy Drive.
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition.
PSU, 420 W, P4.
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Postby jcn » Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:20 am

Mark H wrote:Just upgraded an old ASUS A8V to Win 7 and found an HIS HD4350 AGP card at Newegg with Windows 7 drivers on the install disk. Installed fine. Windows also had all motherboard drivers.

Thanks Mark H. Yeah, finding an AGP card with new capabilities may be the answer, but I would like to be able to use HD on Netflix. I use Netflix now but HD does not work, the video just stops and starts, not watchable.
I’m in the UK and not sure if Newegg supplies to the UK.
Perhaps a new build would be better, but I then would still have to decide on which OS to use. :?
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Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.53GHz Northwood.
3GB DDR.
Gigabyte ATI Radeon R9700 PRO Graphics Accelerator.
USB Modem for BB.
Maxtor 80GB hard drive.
52x CD ROM Drive.
Floppy Drive.
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition.
PSU, 420 W, P4.
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Postby Mark H » Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:56 pm

Haven't tried Netflix yet, but card is HD and does have an HDMI output. Perhaps you can find one in the U.K.
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