So What Happens When XP Support Ends?

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Postby Roach412 » Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:54 pm

BrevCampagnolo wrote:After about the first week's exposure to Win8, I began predicting that M$ would resort to producing another XP-like OS (which I call "XP Classic," harkening back to the infamous "New Coke" debacle) and if what I'm reading (in UK's Micro Mart magazine) is true, that pretty much is what Win9 will be: a familiar interface designed to run on X86 and ARM hardware. And Win9 will abandon Win8's "one-size-fits-all" philosophy, going back to different versions of the OS for different markets and platforms.


i disagree they'll do any such breaking of the design philosophy between different versions for different markets. all the job posting and unofficial talking points i've seen revolve around more tightly integrating all functionalities of the phone/tablet/laptop/desktop experiences together. and to be honest, i think it's the right thing to do. having splinter versions is just bad coding practice - and makes supporting and updating extremely time consuming and therefore extremely expensive. the cheaper they can make full new versions of their OS across all platforms it runs on means they can devote more captial elsewhere, or can provide updates and impromements at a much faster pace. when you streamline versions, you streamline testing. when you streamline testing, you stop spending an a$$load of money.

my money is on a much more compromised version between win7 and win8...but by no means closer to XP. win7 is the baseline now, in more ways than just UI. they considerably re-vamped the back-end of 7, and they're not going to go back to the shuffled mess of tons of global APIs XP handled(hid?) quite nicely.

win9? think win8.1 with a much more smooth switchover from RT-esque to start-button-esque interfaces...across all devices. whatever win10 comes out to be i expect to be very well polished and integrated well across all their products + whatever new interesting things come up in the next 5 years.

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Postby Karlsweldt » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:13 am

Win 95 had three versions in three years. Win 98 had two versions. Min ME was a 'strange child" from MS, around the same time W2K was released. Then Win XP, which was a bit better yet very familiar in use as W2K. Yet it needed three service packs to be at its prime. Then Vista, which was sort of a "celluloid omelet". Now Win 7 already has a service pack, to correct problems! Win 7 did go in fairly easily for me, some hiccups as to networking and Administrator access. But overall, it did not install features not present on the newest system I am putting together. Don't need all those "extra" GUI features, plain old mouse and keyboard.. hard wired! No wireless networking, either. The primary reason I went with Win 7 is for the GPU F@H features.
Having one OS version with 'all' features may be a better idea than variants, as long as the OS detection of features on setup installs only what is needed. 32-bit operation is still defacto, but a 64-bit OS version will (or should) accept 32-bit processes without problems. Older 16-bit processes may cause problems, as the 64-bit OS may attempt to group operatives into one data package!
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Postby evasive » Sun Mar 02, 2014 5:31 am

needing to repackage 32bit software for a 64bit platform I can tell you even in there they managed to break a few forward compatibility rules. 16bit = dead.
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Postby Roach412 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:10 am

evasive wrote:needing to repackage 32bit software for a 64bit platform I can tell you even in there they managed to break a few forward compatibility rules.


quite true - recently just had to refactor some aspects of our .NET applications to work with 64-bit. wasn't just a simple slide-over.

also had to upgrade some .NET frameworks parts, we still had some stuff on 2.0 yet... :roll:

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Postby evasive » Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:28 am

Roach, I encountered 1.1 mess-ups... VB6 stuff too, the DMS is partly relying on VB4/VB5 libraries... :o
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Postby Roach412 » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:42 pm

while in college we learned originally on VB6, then into the .NET world(which was awesome by the way). then when i started working the first thing they showed me was the VB5 applications...i was like "wtf...really?" VB5 came out while i was still in early high school, and a fortune 500 company was still using it for a full 2 years after it's successor was released. call me crazy.

granted they were also a full version behind on the oracle DB when i came on as well - but i had at least worked on that version in the beginning of my college days.

took until 2007 to get parts moved to VB6, complete move by 2010 and finally to .NET by 2011/2012. yeah, only a few years behind. :roll:

basically once MS drops extended (read: relatively inexpensive extended) support we get pushed into moving everything immediately. we avoided the massive push to win7 simply because they had already pumped a bunch of research and testing into the impending Vista move - and when Win7 was slotted to come out and utilized a significant portion of the same APIs as Vista the company said "let's skip it and get to Win7 right away". turned out to be a good move in the long run i think - although i doubt we really would have had too many issues with Vista to be honest.

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What do you think?

Postby OneSpirit » Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:22 pm

I found this article about XP

These are some of the comments I am seeing about XP

"Security programs will not protect you from the zero day exploits that will not be patched in Windows, sorry to say.
You'd be much better served taking the computer off the internet."

here's another ...

"The security updates you'll no longer be getting for XP are the type that prevent a remote user from gaining unauthorized access to and control of your computer possibly even getting to the OS kernel and wreaking havoc with it. The AV, anti-malware, anti-adware won't prevent that."

Is this really going to be the case? :-|
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Postby Karlsweldt » Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:19 am

Best not to take stock in random 'blogs' about what the future is, after Win XP is officially off "life support". Take the advice of the parent source as more truthful! Several antivirus and firewall programs will still be in use, until Microsoft® issues a final decision on its viability. Security updates and patches will no longer be issued. But the malicious software removal tool will still be issued for several months.
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Re: What do you think?

Postby Roach412 » Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:16 am

Security programs will not protect you from the zero day exploits that will not be patched in Windows, sorry to say.
You'd be much better served taking the computer off the internet.

there's still people using windows 95/98 on the internet...so, sure exploits will exist, but some already do - so it's kind of a moot point.

The security updates you'll no longer be getting for XP are the type that prevent a remote user from gaining unauthorized access to and control of your computer possibly even getting to the OS kernel and wreaking havoc with it. The AV, anti-malware, anti-adware won't prevent that.

again, these exploits already exist...and not just in the windows core. is your java up-to-date all the time? what about flash? any other 3rd party software you have installed that have any connection to the internet, do you have these all updated?
if you answer "no", or "not sure" or "most of the time" to any of those possibilities then you're just as at-risk. the only way to avoid exploits or malicious nature on the internet is to simply disconnect from it entirely.

it's a sad truth, but it's reality.

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Where to get the files

Postby OneSpirit » Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:12 am

If something happens where I have to reinstall XP after support ends where can I go to get the updates up to the point where xp ends? :-|
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