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Postby bdub » Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:51 am

some people around here say "george soros, no less", like OMG, he's just so evil...
look at this stuff about who really is evil. and it's spelled K-O-C-H.

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2010/09 ... thers.html
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Postby thomas_w_bowman » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:06 am

bdub, to attempt to address some of your questions:

Government restrictions that are crippling the USA include:
- regulations about Oil exploration and processing (drilling, refining, etc.) these favor Imported Oil.
- New EPA regulations on MPG standards for Semi Trucks and other commercial vehicles (like cement trucks, etc).
- Constant promotion of Union-Intensive contracts (often called 'Jobs') such as 'Investment in Schools', Transportation (some highways renewal, but also light rail incentives which will be money losers in the future (Amtrack has tried and tried to break even, between Union retirement and benefits plus artificially low cost of tickets assures it'll be a loser).
- Subsidies on 'Unprofitable' "Green Energy", such as Ethanol, Solar (even subsidized, solar companies are going broke). Even electric Cars being subsidized, if everyone had an electric car today - where would the electricity to charge them all come from ?
- Restrictions on new Atomic Power, we need power to prosper, we're restricting coal, petrofuels, etc. and solar and wind are a drop in the bucket. California already suffers from an overtaxed grid, rolling blackouts, etc.
- Severely simplify Income tax, Flat Tax or Fair Tax could eliminate the Billions we spend annually administering the IRS (Buffet claims he'd like to see higher taxes, but hasn't paid all of his own taxes for years...). Besides the waste involved in administering the IRS, how much is spent annually for Tax Accountants ? Too bad that that effort is not directed to Cost Accounting.

Anytime that the Government builds dependency on "...not as much money out there to fuel a lot of things that had fuel before. " we have trouble. The Fed needs several dollars of taxes to find one dollar of budget money - most Federal projects are simply a drain on the economy. Meanwhile technology to process garbage into diesel (for example) are NOT subsidized, but are being regulated to impair implementation of such truly effective technologies.

Increasing Taxes can't solve the problem, the Fed ovt. spends more annually than the entire GNP - so even a 100% tax wouldn't solve our spending problems.
Spending more than we have is not only inflationary, but it is eroding our international credit rating - we won't be able to convince China to stock op on our debt forever, especially when they know we owe more that the combined Gross Product of the entire Earth.

Sure, blame the Tea Party, since you clearly don't understand what they are trying to do. Government cannot continue to spend at increasing rates (and passing "trust us" bills like Obamacare or the newly "Pass it Now, Now, Now !" soon to be written 'Jobs' Bill. Let's hope it is carefully READ before voting on it.

George Soros is experienced at making lots of money when currencies fail, and is spending 100's of millions pushing a Socialist agenda - Greece is a preview of how Socialism will need to end unless we can stop it earlier, we cannot expect to take more than we produce for very long...

Obama may even mean well, but he is out of his league, he and his advisors have no clue how job creation works or what an economy needs to prosper. He lacks humilty to admit that he needs help (and Chicago has little expertise with economics and free markets, they are much better at promoting Unions and restricting Citizen rights).

One thing I DO aggree with you on - we really should also stop subsidizing green card workers (and hiring illegals, er-I-mean "Undocumented Workers"). Some Chinese and Indian immigrants are going home, because opportunities are actually better in China and India, somce for Illegal er-Undocumented Mexicans since unemployment is lower in Mexico than it is in the USA.
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Postby Toby B. » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:28 am

Some Chinese and Indian immigrants are going home, because opportunities are actually better in China and India, somce for Illegal er-Undocumented Mexicans since unemployment is lower in Mexico than it is in the USA.


cause a lot or our $%^!@# is outsourced due to Free Trade Agreements
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Postby thomas_w_bowman » Wed Sep 14, 2011 5:08 am

'Free Trade', allows others to sell here, and for us to buy 'there'...
Subsidies and 'bailouts' are also pure waste.
Green subsidies gone bad...
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=344833

If only we could get an actual Vote from actual (living) Citizens...
ACORN operative admits 'voter fraud'
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=344577

We can't even pass a law to require a Picture ID to Vote (like one needs to buy liquor or tobacco)...

My earnings have dropped 20% over the last decade due to Green Card workers... but my expenses are inflating much faster than the 'official' Government numbers indicate...(I have a 70 Mile RT to get to/from work daily, I did get a motorcycle, but only want to ride it if it won't be raining - and can't very well stop and pick up groceries on the cycle).
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Postby bdub » Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:18 pm

TWB...
you must be some shill for the energy companies who want to keep the status quo of destroying the planet at a steady level... everything you talk about has to do with energy, and is simply not sustainable very far into the future. we must change our power structures now, or risk not having a planet to keep all that wonderful gold we made whilst destroying it.

is there any "restrictive, job killing regulations" you can name that don't have to do with energy or the EPA?

the tea party clearly wants to take us back to the 1800's... that's what they want. you better own a few guns if they take charge.

if you think obama has been able to pass a lot of destructive bills... well, that ain't nothing to what GWB was able to do with both houses of congress sewn up his first few years in office... i worked at cspan at the time, and was witness to the carnage of what finally became the recession of 2008... you are not seeing the big picture.
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Postby bdub » Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:08 am

here's an example of how the other side is overstating the impact of obama's "many regulations and rules"... inflating half truths and really just plain lying about things, so fox news can have a sound bite for the evening....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fac ... ml?hpid=z4

so now go and say how the washington post is just such a liberal rag, you can't believe a word it says.
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Postby c327 » Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:44 am

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Well the United States is cooked, stick a fork in them they are done.

Between the sleaze ball politicians ( the idiots running the country ), the do gooders, the political correctness folks who are afraid of their own shadow, free spending on pork, special interest groups, the unbalanced trade between the U.S.A. and mainly China, the obsceen rule and regulations that folks need to abide by here is what will bring the United States to it's knees.

The only folks I see coming out of this with anything are the spin one sided media like CNN.

Yes it is a fact that citizens of the United States are leaving to go to other countries to live and make their mark.

The United States so caught up in their own sh-t that they have no real answer in what to do to fix it and if they do know what to do they sure as hell don't have the bal-s to do it.

It's going to take more than a so called pretty face UGGGG and a sweet talker to fix this mess......... It's all going to come to a head soon.....
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Postby bdub » Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:51 pm

also, i should point out... it was the de-regulating of energy and other industries that caused all this trouble in the first place... and now there are people that want to just FORGET THAT FACT, and do it all over again?!?

some people are totally daft!
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Postby Roach412 » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:05 pm

you must have the ebb and flow, higher regulation then lower regulation, in order to survive.

too much regulation and you WILL STIFLE growth, as well as investment.

too little regulation and you WILL CREATE growth, as well as investment.

these are simple facts, and are indesputable as such. the unregulated growth and investment will obviously cause issues later - which is where the overregulation steps in. ebb and flow...back and forth...here we go...on and on...etc...etc....

it's simple economics, and humanistic nature really.

they want jobs and growth? cut out regulation. where? doesn't matter. cut regulations and people will put money in it...this isn't rocket science, or brain surgery.

they want to garauntee low returns (if any) on investment, and stop those "rich bastards" from getting more money (and subsequently investing), create more regulations.

done deal. simple.

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Postby bdub » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:17 am

job growth is driven by demand, simply cutting regualtions isn't the only answer, but i understand the principles you put forth, roach... my point is there is a pervasive attempt going on by conservatives to paint a picture of "too much regulations" going on right now, when that is not the problem in reality. too much is being blamed on the wrong things by people attempting to take over using deciet and lies, and the media is complicit... which noone seems to believe, but they are owned by these huge multi-national (sometimes) conglomerates, and what do you think they want??? media companies are really only interested in ratings anyhow... watch the movie "network" from 1976...
well, that arguement is a post for another time.

anyhow, if the keys are put back in the hands of the same people who drove us into this mess in the first place, do you think they learned their lesson??? the answer is nope, they did not. they will do the exact same things... deregulate to dangerous levels, borrow and lend with no compulsion to check backgrounds or face truths, and polute like there is no consequences for their actions.

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