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Postby joe_devore » Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:23 pm

ok.. thats very helpful.....

I started searching for Drivers through them...
But I cannot find any that Match this card specificly..
Found ATI Rage 128 PRO 16MB, various Windows OSs.....



About the IRQ Issue..
I have tried Using the reset option in the BIOS,
at boot it shows IRQs a little more dispearced...
But windows is still LOCKed, can't change the settings...
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Postby joe_devore » Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:57 pm

I have tried all the Available
VIA Board Driver from ECS EliteGroup + VIAArena
+ The ATI Drivers...

I could not find a Specifc set of ATI drivers on the DELL.Support
for this card....

I tried the only Win2K drivers they had
For a ATI Rage128 PRO 16MB
Still nothing...

This card is trash

I don't know what else to do...
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Postby Karlsweldt » Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:01 am

That Everest program is definitely worth purchasing! The trial version may not allow all features to be used. Supoort its development by buying.
You normally can't change the IRQ/DMA from within Windows unless there is no conflict with another device. Two IRQs are a 'cascading' type, wherein they can have several device types associated with one IRQ.. but that IRQ redirects control to another IRQ. There are 16 base IRQ assignments, including the "0" one.

Typical IRQ assignments, for the AT/ATX setup: 16-bit/32-bit/64-bit ISA/PCI/AGP
0 = System Timer
1 = Keyboard Controller
2 = Second IRQ Controller Cascade (Also known as a PIC, or Programmable Interrupt Controller)
3 = Serial 2 Port (Com 2, Com 4)
4 = Serial 1 Port (Com 1, Com 3)
5 = Sound System, or Parallel Port 2 (LPT 2)
6 = Floppy Controller
7 = Parallel Port 1 (LPT1) Also used with some sound systems.
8 = Real-time Clock
9 = Available as IRQ 2 or IRQ 9 (Cascading)
10 = Available
11 = Available
12 = Mouse Port (PS2) and available
13 = Math Coprocessor
14 = Primary IDE
15 = Secondary IDE

There are 5 DMA assignments, so up to 5 devices may be successfully employed on one IRQ.
If both the serial ports are not used, one IRQ may be assigned to other duties. Same with the fdd IRQ.
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Postby evasive » Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:08 am

Time to replace this POS, if it won't work decently in win2k. Had a S3 Savage4 card, never to be used again with win2k...
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Postby joe_devore » Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:24 pm

evasive wrote:Time to replace this POS, if it won't work decently in win2k. Had a S3 Savage4 card, never to be used again with win2k...

Thats the Idea... :) :lol: should also scrap the Mobo & maybe the PS as well..


Ofcourse I will have to Pitch it too The Owner of the PC
(Cousins Fiancé.. or BF)..

Reccomendation for GFX Card Replacement..
Not too new but not too old

I coculd sell her the ATI Radeon 7500 64MB PCI Card I have....
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Postby Karlsweldt » Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:55 am

The video card will be dependent on the type of AGP slot in use on that mobo. If it is a 2x max, then higher-quality cards will not be suitable to it, requiring different voltage than the slot can supply. A 'universal' type card may work well, but at lower resolutions.
Here's a pix of what the AGP slots look like.. for comparison. The third type down, or 'universal', can support both types of cards up to 4x speed with either 3.3 volts or 1.5 volts supply.
Image

For most programming, almost any decent card will suffice. But gaming will require more powerful cards, with greater memory. There are bargains in the 5200 series with 128 Mb, which may fill most needs. But upping to the 5700 series or 6600 series would be better, if the card is supported by the AGP slot. Either ATI or nVidia would be a good choice. They are the two major video chipset manufacturers. SiS (S3) is another, but not as popular.
There are many 'bare-bones' PC kits offered for less than 300 bucks.. you add your own OS and a few other items, but you end up with a system that can run up to 2 Ghz or better. For a tight budget, they are very good.
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Postby joe_devore » Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:08 pm

Well I need to try out another GFX Card so I tried my
ATI Radeon 7500 64MB PCI w/ Catalyst Version 6.5......
IT IS SO Sweet..... PCI sucks, but that can't be helped at this point.....

I installed all the Usual stuff
MS .NET FrameWork v2.0
MS DirectX v9.0c
etc....

But these IRQs Are giving me a headache...
There no point to having Most of the Important Devices on 1 IRQ.....
Not to mention to help speed of work on this PC I went and Installed
a USB 2.0 PCI Card by Ali (Temp gift from a friend)
by I have had nothing but problems, it doesn't work right
(& I was feeling better on role... things going right for once..)

After Install.. Before I could load the Drivers CD,
Windows AUTO Installed
3 - ALi PCI to USB Open Host Controllers
( They Show ADV. Bandwidth Tabs, one each)....


There Are 3 VIA USB Universal Host Controllers..
One for each every Pair of Ports/Headers???
Not very sure about that one...
The Are 5 USB Root Hubs connected to those three VIA USB Controllers
They show Power Tabs, and Power per Device...

Odd though, it re-installed Drivers/etc for my Corsair 1GB USB2.0 device
again like it had never seen it before....
It is also showing in one that VIA USB Root Hub
that a Generic USB hub is connected to it, and that
through that USB Hub is connected the USB Mass Storage Device


I just Disabled all but the External Mobo Ports.... Lets See what happens?

On a second USB Controllers List is the
ALI PCI to USB Enhanced Host Controller and
a USB2.0 HUB..... It says yadayda its working fine but that isn't true...
:x Why can't anything just work like its supposed to????

I have ateast a half-dozen FREE IRQs that are sitting around doing nothing.. :?

I also Disabled two of the VIA USB COnns. not being used

I never had problems on my OLder PC Configing the IRQs as need..
I even tried to Disable the BIOS Auto Feature but that didn't work...
I'm running out of options...

Another Problem is only the Floppy.Disk+DMA Conntroller are using DMAs
No other Devices are using them...

After Un-installing the ALi USB 2.0 drivers and rebooting
Win2K Installed its own 2003 STD. Enhanced PCI to USB Drivers
Nothing....?
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Postby Karlsweldt » Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:15 am

With Windows, every device must have a driver.. or it will search relentlessly for them. With each USB port, there is a controller chip.. or hub. It serves only that one port, similar to the SATA hdd setup. Same for the comm or IDE ports. But there, one controller serves two ports.. different IRQ/DMA. With the USB 2.0 standards, there is a primary level of the newer standard.. and an older standard for backward-capability. In effect, one device.. two control options.
When installing Windows, have only those devices which will be in constant use attatched. External drives or devices should be added only after the OS is fully installed and updated.
Unless a specific IRQ is needed for latency devices, set the PnP configuration so all devices are PnP 'auto-assigned'. Your PnP BIOS page also has a line regarding a "PnP Aware OS" which should be set to [yes].
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Postby joe_devore » Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:21 pm

I thought I would atleast Update this topic as too the Status of my work..

The Install of the ATI Radeon 7500 64MB PCI Card & Catalyst(v6.5)
Was a complete Success. :) PDT_Armataz_01_01

I proceeded with the Install of all other General Runtimes, windowsUpdate, etc.
Completed

Last is to Install Norton Systemworks 2005 Premier
and Optimize the system..

Finally Create a Limited Access Account for them so they don't Mess the system up again.
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