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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:08 pm 
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I have SbcGlobal.net DSL, I have 2 pc with onboard LAN. 1 pc I have installed an additional Ethernet/LAN card, a Kingston KNE 110TX/20.
I do not have a router, or hub. I wish to use both pc's on the net, at the same time.
What procedure/steps should I take-protocals to use etc.
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If you are using Windows XP, there is an internet connection sharing wizard that will do all of the work for you. You run the wizard and choose which NIC will connect to the internet and which one connects to the network. When you are done, you can create a disk that you use to set up the second computer. If the second computer also runs XP, you can just run the wizard on it as well.

It works well most of the time, but it works best when both machines are running XP. I have used it twice and it worked for me.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:52 pm 
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So you don't even need a router or hub? And if you don't then what is the purpose of having them at all.


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No, you don't need a router, but the PC1 (with 2 NICs) takes on the role of the router, and has to be on all the time to provide access to the PC2.
Its an OK intermediate solution, but longterm, you'll probably want to use a router of some sort at one stage or another. They should be reasonably cheap Stateside, they are not too expensive here (1NZ$ ~ 0.70US$).
Just an example we sell at my workplace:
http://www.dse.co.nz/cgi-bin/dse.storef ... iew/XH1151
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Does a lan function like an NIC? What i mean is, can you have a router and have it plug into each pc's lan rather than the pci nic?


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LAN stands for Local Area Network.
NIC stands for Network Interface Card.
Some (most modern) motherboards have onboard NICs, rather than PCI ones, they both do exactly the same job in exactly the same way.
Network definition is something alondg the lines of: "several PCs or other pieces of equipment connected for purpose of sharing resources and/or exchanging information.
I have heard of NICs refferred to as LAN cards, but it is not quite correct, since they may well be connecting you to a MAN (Metropolitan area netork ie your Cable Broadband circuit) or a WAN (Wide Area Network, such as the Internet).
If you have a router with a built-in switch (as in more than one RJ45 port on the LAN "side"), you can connect a pc to each of those ports, and the router will provide broadband access to all of them, as well as providing them with means of communicating with each other (depending on the way they are set up).

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Remember that a router also provides a hardware firewall and you won't have to configure software firewalls on each machine. This is a HUGE advantage for DSL.

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I actually just picked up a D-link wireless 802.11B router(DI-514) for $20 refurbished on tiger Direct. It installed like a dream and has been running without a hickup since installation. For the price I can't see anyother option that is as inexpensive. It has 4 ports for wired connections as well as wireless capabilities. Firewall protection on top of the firewall I have on my main PC keeps me safe. It also lets me hook up wireless devices (Which I don't have yet, both PC's are plugged in via networking cable.) in the future. If you can afford the jing go with a router. If not go with a crossover cable. You will be able to connect the two PC's using it and still share your internet connection without a router... But like kokalo said it is a temporary fix. A router is the way to go.


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Can I use a "device manager" mentality? i.e. I could uninstall, and reinstall?

Adapters-protocols- services.......Wow
let alone firewall


Technician Readout

1 Manufacturer Efficient Networks, Inc.
3 Model Number 5100
4 Friendly Name SpeedStream 5100 ADSL Modem
5 Model Description Single Port Ethernet Modem
6 Model Name SpeedStream
8 Hardware Version 1.0
9 Modem DSL Firmware Version a1.01.00.00
10 Modem Software Version 1.0.0.36
11 Hardware Options -
12 Software Options -
13 Modem Configured true
14 Time Since Last Boot 001 days 12:15:07
15 Current Time 2004/ 8/ 6 17:47:48 GMT
30 Modem Health Status ok
31 DSL Link Status up
32 Time Since Last Sync 001 days 12:14:51
33 Loss of Signal false
34 Loss of Framing false
35 ATM Cell Delineation true
36 Internet Status up
37 Ethernet Link Status up
38 PPP Connection Status connected
39 PPP Last Connection Error None
40 PPP Uptime 000 days 00:21:08

50 Test ADSL Line Sync pass
51 Test ATM Cell Delineation pass
52 Test ATM OAM Segment Ping pass
53 Test ATM OAM End to End Ping fail
54 Test DSL Ethernet to ATM pass
55 Test LAN Ethernet Connection pass
56 Test Mac Bridge to LAN Ethernet pass
57 Test LAN USB Connection -
58 Test Mac Bridge to LAN USB -
59 Test PPPoE to Ethernet pass
60 Test PPP to PPPoE pass
61 Test PPPoE Server Connect pass
62 Test PPPoE Server Session pass
63 Test IP to WAN pass
64 Test IP to LAN Ethernet pass
65 Test IP to LAN USB -
66 Test IP to PPP pass
67 Test Validate WAN IP Address pass
68 Test Gateway Ping pass
69 Test DNS Well Known Host Query pass
70 Test Primary DNS Ping pass
71 Test Secondary DNS Ping pass
72 Test Mail Srvr 1 Ping skipped
73 Test Mail Srvr 2 Ping skipped
74 Test News Srvr 1 Ping skipped
75 Test News Srvr 2 Ping skipped
76 Test Web Portal 1 Ping skipped
77 Test Web Portal 2 Ping skipped
78 Test PPPoE Connect to GateWay pass

90 Active VCs provisioned 1
91 DSLAM Vendor Id -
92 DSL Line Mode G.dmt
93 DSL Training Mode multimode
94 Conf VPI 0
95 Conf VCI 35
96 Conf PVC Search List 0/35, 8/35, 0/43, 0/51, 0/59, 8/43, 8/51, 8/59
97 VPI 0
98 VCI 35
99 VC Encapsulation LLC
100 DSL Line Type fast
101 DSL Line Interleaved Depth -

110 Default Device Enabled true
124 DHCP Default Lease Time 000 days 00:10:00
125 Domain name domain_not_set.invalid
126 DHCP Leases Allocated 1
127 DHCP Leases Available 0

Rx Tx
140 Current Rate 384 256
141 Previous Rate 0 0
142 DSL Max Rate - -
143 DSL Min Rate - -
144 Current ATTN DR 384 -
145 Current SNRM 28.5 -
146 Current LATN - -
147 Current SATN 34.5 -
148 Current TP - 0.0

15 Min 24 Hour Yesterday
160 Time Elapsed 694 86400 86400
161 Chan Received Blks 41078 5095124 5109386
162 Chan Transmitted Blks 41078 5095124 5109386
163 Chan Corrected Blks 0 4 2
164 Chan Uncorrected Blks 0 0 0
165 HEC Vcnt - - -
166 HEC Tcnt - - -
167 HEC Ucnt - - -
168 ICBE - - -
169 LCD 0 0 0
170 NCD 0 0 0
171 CVL 0 4 2
172 LCD Tx 0 0 0
173 NCD Tx 0 0 0
174 CVL Tx 0 4 2
175 LOF 0 0 0
176 LOS 0 0 0
177 LOSS - - -
178 LOL 0 0 0
179 LPR 0 0 0
180 ES 0 0 0
181 SESL 0 0 0
182 UASL 0 0 0
183 ECL 0 0 0
184 ECSL 0 0 0
185 ECL Tx 0 0 0
186 Inits - - -
187 FastR 0 0 0
188 Failed FastR - - -
189 DSL Initialization Errors 0 0 0
190 DSL Initialization Timeouts 0 0 0
191 DSL Line Search Initializations 0 0 0
192 DSL Loss of Margin Failures 0 0 0
193 ISP Connection Establishment - - -

210 VC ATM CoS ubr
211 VC ATM SCR -
212 VC ATM PCR -
213 VC ATM MCR -
214 VC ATM Burst Tolerance -
215 VC ATM CDV -
216 VC Max SDU 1528
217 ATM VC Receive Cells 4080720
218 ATM VC Receive PDUs 895986
219 ATM VC Receive Frames 895986
220 ATM VC Receive Octets 195874588
221 ATM VC Receive Errors 1056
222 ATM VC Receive Discards 0
223 ATM VC No Receive Buffers -
224 ATM VC Transmit Cells 869523
225 ATM VC Transmit PDUs 426986
226 ATM VC Transmit Frames 426986
227 ATM VC Transmit Octets 41737149
228 ATM VC Transmit Errors 0
229 ATM VC Transmit Discards 0
230 ATM VC Transmit Queue Full -
231 DSL Rate Mode -
232 Conf Target SNR Margin -

Oct Err PkU PkNU Disc
240 LAN IP Tx 184827346 0 898247 13542 0
241 LAN IP Rx 33650149 0 11194 424635 0
242 LAN Ethernet Tx 187366489 0 898251 2337 11
243 LAN Ethernet Rx 35393783 0 424636 11194 46
244 LAN PPPoE Rx - - 0 0 -
245 IP 2684 Tx 24476064 0 422208 0 0
246 IP 2684 Rx 168783696 0 890994 0 0
247 Ethernet 2684 Tx 41737149 0 426986 0 0
248 Ethernet 2684 Rx 195874588 1056 895986 0 0
260 Ethernet Rate 100Mbps
261 Ethernet Duplex Half
270 Internet Connection Type PPPoE
271 Modem Configuration Single Device Router
272 NAPT Enabled true
293 PPP Connect Mode Smart keep alive
294 PPP Idle Timeout
295 Conf PPP Authentication Protocol chap pap
296 PPP Authentication Protocol pap
323Ethernet IP ARP Table
IP MAC Flags
323a 239.255.255.250 01:00:5E:7F:FF:FA 0x00
323b 66.126.150.99 00:0B:DB:44:D6:39 0x01

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