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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 5:07 pm 
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Sitting here thinking of my first build. Money was crazy tight... (it still is, come to think of it)

PcChips also worked under the 'nickname' AmpTron. Gee with a name like that it's gotta be just like a comic book super hero. Welllll...I got stuck with a ver. 7.0a m810. It would have been a good micro atx, with one big problem. The masterminds that laid out the board threw a cap right in line with the AGP slot. So when I dropped my ati 7000 into it? Let's just say I'm glad we did'nt have any earthquakes. The card was in tilted. I'm sure the new boards are better built....or I hope so.

(come to think of it....I'm still in wonder that card worked being at an angle. LOL)

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:18 pm 
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My take on PC Chips is if your building a budget rig and not going to push it hard then go for it.

They seem to have a tendency to overate the FSB capacity on their boards. If you buy one with 266FSB then stick in a duron 1.3 and run at 200 FSB, you will be fine.

If you buy one to go for performance then you probably will be disappointed.

I had an M810 with an XP-1800+ (266FSB) in it and it basically crashed once a day. I replaced the 1800 with an athlon 1.2GHZ (200FSB) and now it runs like a rock. Same PC133 RAM, nothing else changed.

The 1800+ went into another machine on an MSI board and runs great.

my two cents, FWIW.....

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I wonder if the FSB problems have something to do with the northbridge heatsink problem. Apparently, ECS (and I would guess PC Chips, too, as they are somehow related) uses some kind of tape to attach the northbridge heatsink, which sometimes leads to overheating of the northbridge.

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Yes, I read about that before, where they basically use a double sticky back tape to hold the heatsink on. It acts like insulation instead of letting the heat dissapate.

I've been meaning to try removing it on the M810. Maybe I'll tinker with it after I move and get settled in.

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I just removed the northbridge heatsink on my K7S5A; the heat sink was stuck on there pretty well, but after twisting it side-to-side for a while, it came off. Of course, there was a lot of left-over adhesive. I scraped as much of it as I could with a card, but that didn't remove all of it. Alcohol didn't help (it just smeared the adhesive around), but I was able to remove the adhesive cleanly and easily by sticking duct tape on it and then gently pulling the duct tape off. I had to do that several times to remove all of the adhesive, but it worked perfectly. I then cleaned the surfaces with alcohol. I'm going to re-attach the heatsink with Arctic Alumina adhesive mixed with Arctic Alumina thermal compound (makes the adhesive a bit weaker in case I ever need to remove the heatsink again). I say going to because I didn't order the adhesive until I made sure that I could remove the heatsink without destroying the mobo (which I did).

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trophyhunter_1 wrote:
My take on PC Chips is if your building a budget rig and not going to push it hard then go for it.
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noway would i use pc chips boards if im building a buget rig msi do great boards for this

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I'm running 2 810LMR boards both with XP2200+ cpu's in them as part of my folding farm. I'm also running a very similar Matsonic board (only differs in layout) also with an XP2200+. They've been running 16 hours a day for well over 2 months with no problems. I also run an K7S5A with an XP2000+, this also runs reliably but locks up unless decent DDR is used. Certainly not boards to run the latest games on, but they fold as well and as quickly as anything else. What concerns me about PCChips/ECS is the number of boards they produce which are DOA, I've had several I've had to return over the years. Doesn't say much for their Quality Control.
At one stage, around 1997 PCChips boards cost about half the price of just about anything else, these days that difference has been eroded to the point where you may as well go for MSI or A-Bit and of course ASRock.

BTW, in case you're wondering why I got 2 of these boards, our local PC shop closed down last year and I picked up both of them for £30 ($55)

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My first actual pc(not parents but mine) was a PCChips board. Ran extremely well for 3 years. Then I tried to do a bios update and that was the end of that board. I hear a lot of the 'older' PCChips boards had cheap bios chips that didnt take well to flashing.

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Had a PCChips board for about a week and wanted a better one. If you are on a budget save and get something good. PCChips are terrible. Also a motherboard isn't something you want to get a cheap version of.

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Woohoo :!: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Stopped using PC Chips boards and moved over to ASRocks, better budget boards - reason about £3 cheaper at trade...

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