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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2003 1:23 pm 
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I didn't have a very high regard for the new Duron processor because of it's severely reduced cache but the article linked to below has changed my mind dramatically on that score. You can't argue with results like this:-

Intel Celeron 2.6GHz $85

AMD Duron 1.6GHz $41

The Duron beats the Celeron in fourteen out of fifteen benchmarks and usually by a wide margin.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1927


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2003 4:17 pm 
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impressive but still no market share...

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still no market share...


What does that tell you about the average consumer?


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impressive, very impressive. Market share or not, it is obvious that AMD does have some clue about what they're doing. Even if we are just talking about budget systems. Thanks for the link Aussie, very good read :wink:


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Its hard to believe that these high clock celerons are performing so poorly, maybe intel should throw another 128K of cache on the die.
They can't be saving much by trimming back the cache that much.

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They can't be saving much by trimming back the cache that much.


Actually, they save quite a lot by keeping the cache at 128kb. Cache memory is very expensive, especially larger caches. More cache takes up more space which means less cpu's per wafer.

Here's a fair comparison between a P4-based Celeron and an actual P4, with the only difference being the size of the cache.

2.4Ghz Celeron 128kb Cache 400Mhz FSB
2.4GHz P4 512kb Cache 400Mhz FSB

Price difference right now is $90. Note that I compared a P4 that does not have an 800Mhz FSB or Hyperthreading.

The two factors that keep the price of the Celeron low is the 128kb cache and the 400Mhz FSB. But, it would be nice if they increased the cache to 256kb or the FSB to 533Mhz or 800Mhz. But that would mean that more people would start buying Celerons instead of P4's which would mean less profit for Intel, so I don't think they're going to beef up the Celeron anytime soon.


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Hmmm,
Yes very interesting. I didn't realize they performed so poorly. But the question is will anybody care. Benchmarking these two processors is like racing a Dodge Neon and a Ford Focus. All the retail stores will still stock Celerons in their Bargian Priced CPU's. It just goes to show how much of a grip intel has on the Market Share.

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lshawelu wrote:
. Benchmarking these two processors is like racing a Dodge Neon and a Ford Focus.


Very true, when it does come down to celerons and Durons, this is a very interesting article, the only problem I have ever had with AMD is that the processors can just be damaged so easily. The intle design of having the chip in the proicessor casing itself is a much better design, that and heat.

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so basically Intel is no good in the value end for fund conciencious gamers. Hell, take into account for just a few dollars more than that cellie, you can get a 2500+ which absolutely smokes it.


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Just think about all the poor schlubs who picked up cheap pre-built systems with Celerons in them thinking that they got a deal. :roll:

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