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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 4:44 am 
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Just lost a 53 pointer at 98% complete because of a lockup when installing software:-

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[06:21:26] Completed 480000 out of 500000 steps (96)
[06:30:10] Writing local files
[06:30:10] Completed 485000 out of 500000 steps (97)
[06:38:53] Writing local files
[06:38:53] Completed 490000 out of 500000 steps (98 )



--- Opening Log file [October 14 07:11:30]


# Windows Console Edition #####################################################
###############################################################################

Folding@home Client Version 3.25

http://foldingathome.stanford.edu
email:help@foldingathome.stanford.edu

###############################################################################
###############################################################################

Arguments: -local -forceasm

[07:11:30] - Ask before connecting: No
[07:11:30] - Use IE connection settings: Yes
[07:11:30] - User name: Aussie_Challenge (Team 33258)
[07:11:30] - User ID = 3792F646B30AA50
[07:11:30] - Machine ID: 1
[07:11:30]
[07:11:31] Loaded queue successfully.
[07:11:31] + Benchmarking ...
[07:11:33]
[07:11:33] + Processing work unit
[07:11:33] Core required: FahCore_78.exe
[07:11:33] Core found.
[07:11:33] Working on Unit 00 [October 14 07:11:33]
[07:11:33] + Working ...
[07:11:33]
[07:11:33] *------------------------------*
[07:11:33] Folding@home Gromacs Core
[07:11:33] Version 1.49 (June 23, 2003)
[07:11:33]
[07:11:33] Preparing to commence simulation
[07:11:33] - Ensuring status. Please wait.
[07:11:50] - Assembly optimizations manually forced on.
[07:11:50] - Not checking prior termination.
[07:11:51] - Expanded 363461 -> 1768593 (decompressed 486.5 percent)
[07:11:51] - Checksums don't match (work/wudata_00.xtc)
[07:11:51] - Starting from initial work packet

[07:11:51]
[07:11:51] Project: 341 (Run 58, Clone 15, Gen 2)
[07:11:51]
[07:11:51] Assembly optimizations on if available.
[07:11:51] Entering M.D.
[07:11:57] Protein: p341_gnra_den
[07:11:57]
[07:11:57] Writing local files
[07:12:32] Extra SSE boost OK.
[07:12:32] Writing local files
[07:12:32] Completed 0 out of 500000 steps (0)
[07:21:19] Writing local files
[07:21:19] Completed 5000 out of 500000 steps (1)


That'll teach me shutdown the client before running any installs. :oops: :oops:


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 9:35 am 
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for a dedicated crunch box, linux appears to be an alternative. linux does need software and bug/ security updates prior to usage.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 12:13 pm 
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linux appears to be an alternative


Linux is an operating system designed by geeks for geeks and apparently I'm not a geek yet. :oops:

Seriously, I take a look at Linux every now and then to see how it's coming along but everytime I load it I shake my head in disgust at the complexity & difficulty involved in even the most simple configuration changes.

Now a serious Linux geek would jump down my throat and say that's crap because Linux is easy to configure, everything is text based and that may be true but for the average joe sixpack, and I guess that includes myself when it comes to Linux, trying to configure Linux to do something as simple as connect to a Windows network is a nightmare. Look at the difficulties involved in just installing a software package for example.

Until such time as somebody with a clue takes a hatchet to all the unnecessary crap and designs some decent "wizards" into the Linux operating system it is doomed on the desktop and will never occupy more than a niche market share. That is a real shame and I hope somebody wakes up to this real soon.

Lindows appears to be a step in the right direction and I know that a serious Linux geek would cringe at that thought but it is true, until Linux is as easy to use for the average joe sixpack as Windows is it will never be serious competition for Microsoft on the desktop, sadly.

Once Linux has had the "geekiness" exorcised from it there may be some hope but I'm getting tired of holding my breath.


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Aussie wrote:
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linux appears to be an alternative


Linux is an operating system designed by geeks for geeks and apparently I'm not a geek yet. :oops:

Seriously, I take a look at Linux every now and then to see how it's coming along but everytime I load it I shake my head in disgust at the complexity & difficulty involved in even the most simple configuration changes.

Now a serious Linux geek would jump down my throat and say that's crap because Linux is easy to configure, everything is text based and that may be true but for the average joe sixpack, and I guess that includes myself when it comes to Linux, trying to configure Linux to do something as simple as connect to a Windows network is a nightmare. Look at the difficulties involved in just installing a software package for example.

Until such time as somebody with a clue takes a hatchet to all the unnecessary crap and designs some decent "wizards" into the Linux operating system it is doomed on the desktop and will never occupy more than a niche market share. That is a real shame and I hope somebody wakes up to this real soon.

Lindows appears to be a step in the right direction and I know that a serious Linux geek would cringe at that thought but it is true, until Linux is as easy to use for the average joe sixpack as Windows is it will never be serious competition for Microsoft on the desktop, sadly.

Once Linux has had the "geekiness" exorcised from it there may be some hope but I'm getting tired of holding my breath.


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I agree with all of the above. Add in the fact that software availablity is limited and it probably will never become mainstream.

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not to start a flame here....but linux/unix is VERY mainstream now, esp in the server rooms of many many corporations. i understand you mostly said and are refering to the "desktop", but even Apple has jumped on the unix bandwagon with it's OSX (10) having a unix core (very cool and stable). understand i'm not linux 'geek' either. i know enough to get by (and frustrated) but that's about it! hahaha :D

sorry about your WU lose aussie... i locked up this weekend to testing out a dvd i authered... it locked my box up running 4 clients... thankfuly they all came back on line again (feww).

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OK, this is more complicated than I thought. Last night the machine locked up again at the exact same 98% mark on the same work unit, this time while running unattended and with no other software running.

It looks as though the first lockup was not the result of a software install going wrong at all but a problem with this particular work unit. The machine has been stable for five weeks of folding 24/7 prior to this.

I don't know whether to abandon this work unit or start on it again with the possibility of the same thing happening. How do you delete a work unit anyway?



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I took a punt and restarted the client, this time it did not restart at the beginning again but started at the 98% mark, completed the work unit and sent the results. :? :? :? :?


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I feel your pain dude. Thanks to my impatience, and my client being a bugger and not wanting to connect, i almost lost my last one - a 50 pointer. Currently, the worst i've lost was 50% of a /2500 50 pointer.


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Are those both AMD machines? Haven't seen anything like this here.

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about linux and configuration wizards and such: on a dual boot or standalone you can have SuSE 8.2 up and running, fully configured, after making a few selections from a graphical menu in less time than it takes to install win98(takes me about an hour to fully install and download updates for 98 on this machine and about 25 minutes with SuSE 8.2).

it may seem like you are ridiculously jumping through hoops but that's just how it seems. it's just because it's different. i have a friend that has an imac and swears by the mac OS. when he had to use a PC he got mad saying something like "...stupid windows. everything is so confusing and hard..." So he acts the same way as windows users do towards linux. it's just different. it can be learned. if you have a good amount of common sense it can be learned fast - at least enough to get it running how you want. not everything involves text-based-command-line-kernel-compiling-tedium. you get to that when you are more advanced and want to fully optimize your system.

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