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identify i440bx mobo manufacturer! HELP! bios needed!

Postby the_ghola » Mon Jun 30, 2003 10:04 am

I hope you can help me.
I bought a 80Gb Hard Disk Drive (Seagate), but my bios seems to have a 32gb limitation (and I can only use this much capacity). So I was considering updating my BIOS. But I can't find the correct bios file to flash it with, because I don't know the board manufacturer
So this was reported by 'Bios wizard':

Program: Unicore BIOS Wizard Version 3.2
Program: eSupport.com BIOS Detect v1.1 June 4, 2003
BIOS Date: 10/08/98
BIOS Type: Award Modular BIOS v4.51PG
BIOS ID: 10/08/1998-i440BX-19981010C-00
OEM Sign-On: Release 10/10/'98
Chipset: Intel 440BX/ZX rev 3
Superio: Winbond 977TF rev 0 found at port 3F0h

The Bios ID macthes the one shown on startup.
I tried to identify my motherboard on various sites, but none recognize it by the Bios ID.
The software 'AIDA32' reports it is a AMPTRON board. But when I contacted them, they said the product was discontinued, and told me to reach to one of their manufacturers, so I e-mailed Fastfame (www.fastfame.com.tw) and they never replied!
I'm desperate! Please help me identify my board, and if possible give me some indication were to find the .bin file to flash the BIOS.
Additionally I would like to know how to save my current BIOS to a .bin, so that I can restore it if anything would go wrong.

Thanks in advance.
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Postby Hardware Junkie » Mon Jun 30, 2003 11:23 am

If your board was Amptron, then it was made by PC CHIPS and resold by them. I seem to get a Jamicon match

Model KM650-BX

Some boards were OEM Fastfame...got a match on the 650B / PII 3100 / 6BAA aswell...
http://y2k.nstl.com/html/Fastfame_y2k_compliant.html

PII 3100 is probably the Amptron model # equivilant...

See if it matches the board in this manual:
http://www.amptron.com/Documents/pdf/p23100.zip
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Postby the_ghola » Mon Jun 30, 2003 12:10 pm

The Manual is similar but with some diferences. My manual also doesn't say the model or brand. It says though:
"
PII-BX, version 1.0
October 1998
"
Later on it states that:
"
System Chipset
- Uses BX chipsets
"

The manual you indicated is version 1.1 though...
But is it safe to use the flash file in Ampron's site on PII-3100B (Alias: 650BX)? Fastfame's site seems to be online only at certain times of the day. If the mobo turns out to be Fastfame, can I still flash it with the Amptron's file?
It is a 2Mb file, how do I flash with a file larger than 1.44Mb?
Additionally, how do I save my current bios in a file, so that I can later restore it if anything goes wrong?

Thanks, for you past and future replies.
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Postby Hardware Junkie » Mon Jun 30, 2003 12:49 pm

the_ghola wrote:"
PII-BX, version 1.0
October 1998
"


Don't worry - its a generic manual. Go by board look and i/o configuration

the_ghola wrote:Later on it states that:
"
System Chipset
- Uses BX chipsets
"


The board should be using 440BX chipset...

the_ghola wrote:The manual you indicated is version 1.1 though...
But is it safe to use the flash file in Ampron's site on PII-3100B (Alias: 650BX)? Fastfame's site seems to be online only at certain times of the day. If the mobo turns out to be Fastfame, can I still flash it with the Amptron's file?


You should be able to but I can't guarentee 100%. Does the surface of your motherboard contain any model # silk screened on it? Might be able to determine it for sure which one it is.
Your BIOS says UNICORE which is a separate company.
http://www.mrbios.com
They build thier own BIOS' for sale - so they could definately help you.

But you could always give the PII-3000 one for sale.

It is a 2Mb file, how do I flash with a file larger than 1.44Mb?

Download to your hard drive and flash from there using a boot disk. You should be ok as long as your not using NTFS.
Additionally, how do I save my current bios in a file, so that I can later restore it if anything goes wrong?

The BIOS program should give you the ability to do this.
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Postby evasive » Mon Jun 30, 2003 1:34 pm

It is a 2Mb file, how do I flash with a file larger than 1.44Mb


2Mbit = 256kbyte which will fit OK on a 1440kbyte floppy and then some
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Postby evasive » Mon Jun 30, 2003 1:41 pm

HOLD IT!

First get a v6.x or v7.x version of awdflash and do the following

make bootable floppy
copy awdflash.exe to it

boot from floppy

type

awdflash /Pn /Sy backup.bin


check the filesize of the backup.bin either 131.072 bytes or 262.144 bytes, if 131.072 bytes you CANNOT use that 2Mb file!
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Postby the_ghola » Mon Jun 30, 2003 8:04 pm

Yes Evasive you are right it is 256 bytes... :p

I searched everywere and there seems to exist a sh*tload of 'clones' for this board.
I managed to look within a 'hidden' spot on the box that came with the computer, and it has a sticker printed:
KM650B / F003054
(and a code bar)

So it seems to be a Jamicon KM650B...
Anyway, I searched and found a bin file for this, but it is (like the Amptron file) 2Mb.
The backup I made from the existing BIOS is only 1Mb.
So, should I try to flash the 2Mb bin? If it fails, would I still be able to recover the BIOS with the backup? I mean, is it possible for the Bios chip to have space for 2Mb but is only storing 1Mb?

The Manual speaks (very little) about of a JS1 Jumper - Flash ROM size. The default is "1M Flash ROM", and the alternative is "Above 1M"
Is this subject even close related to the space that the bin file would take?

Thanks.

*EDIT*:
I said the board is probably Jamicon, but in fastfame's site (used google's cache) the specs for the 650BX mainboard is exactly correct (Winbond I/O chip, intel 440BX chipset, PCI slot number correct, etc.).
AND it says:
"System BIOS: 2Mb EEPROM, Award BIOS with Enhanced ACPI Feature"

That's good news right?! If this is the board I can flash it with the Jamicon bin file, right?
After all, Jamicon invested in Fastfame in 1998 (mobo and BOS date)... so it would be the same thing... same with amptron...
The bin file in fastfame's site for 650BX has the same name and date (7 days apart in Aug/2000: 08 and 15) as Amptron's file for the PII-3100B motherboard.

give me your opinion and expertise...
*END OF EDIT*
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Postby evasive » Tue Jul 01, 2003 2:23 am

Interesting. Find the bios chip and gently peel off the label, post the numbers printed on the chip, that we might be able to tell if it is a 1Mbit or 2Mbit chip. I do have a 1Mbit bios for this board, which should be patcheable to 128GB harddisk support.

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Postby the_ghola » Tue Jul 01, 2003 5:05 pm

I have good news and bad news.
The good news are that I went to the store I bought the product, and asked to see my file, and I saw that they had written they had sold me a JAMICON KM560BX motherboard.
So,... I know the mobo manufacturer.
The other good news are that the BIOs chip seems to be removable, so If I screw up, I can always (at a high cost I would rather avoid) reconfigure it.
The bad (very bad) news are that the numbers on the BIOS probably indicate it is a 1Mbit BIOS chip.
This is printed on the chip:

Flash
P28F001
BXT150
U74527J1
(M) (C) 1990 1993

So I would say it's a 1Mbit chip, but I'm not sure.
So, I have a 2Mbit .bin to insert in a 1Mbit bios... that wouldn't work...
Evasive: Do you have this board?... I mean, this EXACT mobo? (KM650BX, or equivalent by Amptron or fastfame) And you said you have a 1Mbit .bin file that would fix my problem? And is it safe, I mean, is it for my board? If you could send me that file, I would be very appreciated.

Thanks again, for reading my long and dull posts.

PS: I mailed Fastfame support, in China this time (Taiwan before), but no reply was given, just like before. I find however, that the Chinese site (www.fastfame.com.cn) is online, contrary to that in Taiwan, and seems to be updated more often. But again, the Bios file for the Slot 1 - 650Bx is 2Mbit.

PS 2: Jamicon's site seems to have coverage on coolers, fans and such, and no motherboards. Were can I find a support section? Or a 1Mbit update file?
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Postby evasive » Tue Jul 01, 2003 7:13 pm

http://wims.host.sk/edwin/(Jamicon%20650B%201Mbit).zip

02/04/1999-i440BX-19980205C-00
Release 19990205-0 128GB BETA

untested

128GB maximum


proceed at your own risk, make sure you have a backup file of your current bios, use:

awdflash /Pn /Sy backup.bin

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