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Microsoft convicted of software piracy

Postby Aussie » Sat May 11, 2002 7:25 am

Microsoft was found guilty of software piracy last year by a French court, according to facts unearthed today by the geek community. But the Redmond giant's conviction and three million franc (£285,000) fine somehow managed to escape the headlines.


http://www.vnunet.com/News/1131606


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if the Company went bankrupt??

Postby Petey970Z » Sat May 11, 2002 8:21 am

If this Company went bankrupt how could Microsoft be guilty of anything??..... except keeping the ball rolling. 1994 is a long way back.... I can see where Microsoft absorbs the weaklings, a good thing in my mind.
This must be the much vaunted MMX technology. :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby Aussie » Sat May 11, 2002 8:59 am

If this Company went bankrupt how could Microsoft be guilty of anything??.....


That's a very strange type of logic that is. If I steal a million dollars from the local Savings and Loan, get busted for it and then Savings and Loan goes bankrupt before my case is heard does that mean I'm not guilty of stealing the million dollars?



I can see where Microsoft absorbs the weaklings, a good thing in my mind


That's the most benign description I've ever seen of Microsofts predatory habits. I get the impression that you actually believe it to be a good thing which brings me back to that strange form of logic again.

Would your attitude be the same if Microsoft was, let's say, a Russian company for instance?


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Your guilty...

Postby Hardware Junkie » Sat May 11, 2002 2:08 pm

Your still guilty. But the party can no longer do anything about it.
In the instance you mentioned though Aussie, the state could still throw you in jail. In the M$ case, they can't just throw them all into prison. The corporation has to suffer in some way. Keeping in mind that they can't disban the only operating system that 95% of people use.
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Logic 1101

Postby Petey970Z » Sun May 12, 2002 12:00 am

You can have any color FORD automobile as long as it is Black. H. Ford
You can have any OS as long as its compatible with Microsoft.

Big Blue (IBM) let W. Gates retain the rights to his Operating Systems and he has profited greatly.
IBM could have sued him and left him impoverished and you and I would never have heard his name mentioned.

Inside the Corporate world the Big Corporations gooble up the inefficient and poorly run ones. This culling and weeding out eventually produces an "End Product" that is both useful and reliable... and generally available.

If I remember the Disney debacle when Disney built "Disney France"
The French Gov't sued Disney out of existance there.

Preferably I like the "American" way, let the "Creme de la Creme" rise to the top. It provides much better entertainment. "The Greatest Show on Earth" A is true,because B is true, therefore you can say C stinks.
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Postby Aussie » Sun May 12, 2002 12:37 am

I have no problem with letting the "Creme de la Creme" rise to the top, it's the ethics and morals that are involved (or not involved) in the methods used by Microsoft to maintain it's monopoly position that I have difficuly with. If this is an example of the "American Way" then it stinks plain and simple.

Recent history is riddled with stories of how Microsoft has used questionable methods to dispose of, or obtain the property of, its competitors. This is a rampant monopoly gone horribly wrong yet you continue to defend it based on the fact that it is the "American way".

I note that you didn't respond to my question about your attitude being different if Microsoft was a Russian company, can you provide me with an honest answer to that question?

It is almost laughable to hear Americans sprouting such words as "God bless America" because in that country money and power come first by a long shot and God, morals and ethics are way down the list - you're only kidding yourselves.

Don't get me wrong here Australia is a strong supporter of America, in the past and currently which has been amply demonstrated but we do sometimes have difficulty with typical American arrogance and "blinkered" belief that their way is the only true and right way regardless of who gets trod on in the process.

Microsoft is just one example of this.


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Postby Pechorin » Sun May 12, 2002 10:48 am

If Microsoft was a Russian company, we'd all be using Macs.

My reasoning? If Microsoft got its beginnings in Russia during the 1980's (as it did in the US), it would have been owned and operated by the Kremlin. That being said, Microsoft software would never have been available to the public and would have been aimed solely at providing the Russian government with software solutions. During the economic and political revolution of the early 90's, Microsoft of Russia would have been disbanded as another overfunded Russian cold war project and the company as we know it would never have come into existance.

My point is: that the capitalist system in place in the US during the later 20th century is what allowed a small software company to become an industry giant (or more appropiatley, THE industry giant) in the newely discovered market of PC's. Depending on your view of the Microsoft "monopoly," it is this same system that has allowed Microsoft to crush its competition.

So, it is hardly concievable that Microsoft could have ever survived in 20th century Russia due to the nature of Russian "communism" (or perhaps socialist dictatorship). Likewise, I have a hard time believing that the corporate enviornment would be right in any country other than the US in the late 20th century to allow such a company to come into existance. That is not American ignorance as I am not a naturalized citizen of the US. It is just a historical perspective of the emmergance of the largest software company period.
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Can of worms...

Postby Pechorin » Sun May 12, 2002 11:02 am

Aussie wrote:
It is almost laughable to hear Americans sprouting such words as "God bless America" because in that country money and power come first by a long shot and God, morals and ethics are way down the list - you're only kidding yourselves.

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Aussie,

This is a tremendously offensive generalization.

The quest for money and power has been the building block of every developed civilization from the Romans to the Ming Dynasty. America didn't start it, buddy. Additionally, to associate the American identity with money hoarding power-hungry corporations is the reason why Americans are so misunderstood by the rest of the world. True, the American corporate society is driven by such things; however this society is such a small percentage of America that it is unfair to judge the rest of us by it. The American people are not Microsoft, they are not Boeing, they are not IBM, they are not AOL Time Warner... The fact that the rest of the world sees Americans as these things is the real misunderstanding. The fact remains that no other country has contributed as much foriegn relief money and man power as the US to natural and humanist disasters world wide.

Dispite capitalist ventures, the American people have been the saving grace of many other nations; not to mention a 40 billion dollar (current US $) loan to Australia in 1919 that the US has never seen one cent of and doesn't ever expect to. I could list hundreds of humanitarian relief projects ranging from hurricanes in the south Pacific, food in east Africa, and financual aid to Russia. So, when American's (not corporations) say "God Bless America" it is because the average US citizen values humanity over money and brotherhood over power.
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Postby len444 » Sun May 12, 2002 11:34 am

:?: petey, how many shares of microsoft do you own :) ?
[nothing personal- holding an equity can have an effect on one's opinions though- such as equity message boards, where the shorts will bash, and the longs will have nothing but positive comments-unless it drops like a rock, then the longs are hysterical and the shorts are cheering!]
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Postby Toby B. » Mon May 13, 2002 8:25 pm

Well, here are my thoughts on the Microsoft issue. Microsoft was started way back in the early 80's, you mean to tell me that it took nearly 20 years for an antiturst lawsuit to be brought against Microsoft.
If the federal government was so dam worried about a monopoly, they should have acted a long time ago. Microsoft is not the cause of the problems of other operating system companies doing a belly flop. If they produced a decent operating system that was user friendly and did not have flaws then there would have been a Operating System other then microsoft widely used.

The only reason behind the recent court battle is due to whine-asses that are bitching and whinning because they cannot capture any of the market with their inferior operating system software. Look at the MAC operating system; although they are less popular MAC is competive with Msicrosoft.

This is my opinion

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