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64 bit system, What would you change?

Postby ink » Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:17 am

Looks like I won't be getting one anytime soon but I've a friend that wants one built. This is what he put together. I wanted to see what you thought here before ordering.

I would go with the NEC drive and the memory , I've no idea.

Hard Drive
> Maxtor 300GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model 6B300S0, OEM Drive Only
> Specifications:
> Capacity: 300GB
> Average Seek Time: 9.3 ms
> Buffer: 16MB
> Rotational Speed: 7200 RPM
> Interface: Serial ATA 150
> Features: SATA II, -NCQ [Native Command Queuing]
> Manufacturer Warranty: 3 years
> Packaging: OEM Drive Only more info-> N82E16822144359

> AMD Athlon 64 3500+, 512K, L2 Cache, Windows Compatible 64-bit Processor
939 Pin - Retail
> Specification
> Model: AMD Athlon 64
> Operating Frequency: 2.2GHz
> FSB: Integrated into Chip
> Cache: L2/512K
> Voltage: 1.5V
> Socket: Socket 939
> Packaging: Retail more info-> N82E16819103463

> corsair XMS Extreme Memory Speed Platinum Series, Low Latency (Twin Pack)
184 Pin 1GB(512MBx2) DDR PC-4400 - Retail
> TwinX1024-4400 consists of a matched pair of CMX512-4400 memory modules.
> Specifications:
> Manufacturer: Corsair
> Speed: DDR550(PC4400)
> Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM
> Error Checking: Non-ECC
> Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
> Cas Latency: 3-4-4-8
> Support Voltage: 2.75V
> Bandwidth: 4.4GB/s
> Organization: two 64M x 64-Bit
> Warranty: Lifetime more info-> N82E16820145489


> CORSAIR XMS, Xtra-Low Latency 2-2-2-5, 184-Pin 1GB(512MBx2) DDR PC-3200 w/
Heat Spreader, Model TWINX1024-3200XL - Retail
> Specifications:
> Manufacturer: CORSAIR
> Speed: DDR400(PC3200)
> Type: 184-Pin DDR SDRAM
> Error Checking: Non-ECC
> Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
> Cas Latency: 2-2-2-5
> Support Voltage: 2.75V
> Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s
> Special Features: Plug-n-FragTM Auto-Configuration - Boots automatically
using the Xtra-Low latency values of 2-2-2-5
> Warranty: Lifetime
> Receive a $20 mail-in rebate with the purchase of DOOM 3 & 1GB of Corsair
XMS XL Memory! Expires 8/31/04
> more info-> N82E16820145522

Mother Board
> MSI "K8N Neo2 Platinum" NVIDIA nForce3 ULTRA Chipset Motherboard For AMD
Socket 939 CPU -RETAIL
> Specifications:
> Supported CPU: Socket 939 AMD Athlon 64FX/64 processor
> Chipset: nForce3 ULTRA
> RAM: 4x DIMM Supports dual channel DDR266/333/400 Max 4GB
> Slots: 1x AGP 4X/8X, 5x PCI
> Ports: 2x PS/2, 1x COM, 1x LPT, 8x USB2.0(Rear 4), 1x IEEE1394, 2xRJ45, 1x
S/PDIF Out, Audio Ports
> IDE: 2x ATA 133 up to 4 Devices
> SATA/RAID: 4x SATA RAID with 0,1,0+1
> Onboard Audio: ALC850 8-Ch
> Onboard LAN: Marvell 88E1111 1000Mbps, Realtek 8110S 1000Mbps
> Onboard IEEE1394: 3x ports by VIA 6306
> Form Factor: ATX more info-> N82E16813130468

Video Card
> Albatron nVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra Video Card, 256MB GDDR3, 256-Bit,
TV-Out/Dual DVI, 8X AGP, Model "6800U" -RETAIL
> **This item may only be returned for a replacement of the same make/model.
(limit 2 per customer)
> - Specifications -
> Chipset/Core Speed: nVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra/400MHz
> Memory/Effective Speed: 256MB GDDR3/1100MHz
> BUS: AGP 4X/8X
> Ports: TV-Out (S-Video/Composite) + 2x DVI
> Support 3D API: DirectX 9, OpenGL 1.5
> Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048X1536@85Hz
> Cable/Accessories: S-Video Cable (150cm), Composite Cable, SV to AV Cable,
Manual, Driver CD, Games
> Retail Box (See pics for details)
> Model#: 6800U
> Item#: N82E16814170058
> Rating: Vote(s): 4 Review(s): 1
> FedEx Saver Shipping $4.95
> (ETA9/18/2004)


Video Card
eVGA nVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra Video Card, 256MB GDDR3, 256-bit, Dual DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "256-A8-N345-AX" -RETAIL
Model# 256-A8-N345-AX
Item # N82E16814130196

Chipset/Core Speed: nVIDIA 6800 Ultra/400MHz
Memory/Effective Speed: 256MB GDDR3/1100MHz
Ports: DVI + DVI + TV-Out(S-Video)
Support 3D API: DirectX 9.0c, OpenGL 1.5
Cable/Accessories: Manual, 2x DVI to VGA Adapters, 1 CD, 3 Cables
Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048X1536@85Hz
Retail Box (See pics for more details)

> ASPIRE X-Superalien Series Black/Red Aluminum Server Chassis with 500W
Power Supply, Model "ATXA6SW/500"
> Specifications:
> Case Type: Full-Tower
> Color: Black/Red
> Material: 1.0mm Aluminum
> Drive Bays: 5.25'' x5,3.5''(External) x2, 3.5''(Internal) x5
> Expansion Slots: 7
> Front Ports: USB2.0 x2,IEEE1394 x1,Mic x1,Speaker x1
> Power Supply: 500W
> Cooling System: 80mm Blue UV Sensitive LED fans x6
> Motherboard Compatibility: ATX-Up to 11"W x 12"L
> Dimensions: 18.6"x8"x20.5" more info-> N82E16811144004

DVD Burner
Sony Internal 16X DVD+R / Double Layer/DVD+RW Drive, Model DRU710A, Retail
Model# DRU710A
Item # N82E16827131236

Write Speed:16X DVD+R, 4X DVD+RW, 8X DVD-R, 4X DVD-RW, 48X CD-R, 24X CD-RW, 2.4X DVD+R DL
Read Speed: 48X CD-ROM, 16X DVD-ROM
Interface: ATAPI / E-IDE
Buffer: 2 MB
Random access time: 130 ms (CD-ROM), 160 ms (DVD-ROM)
OS Support: Windows 2000/ XP Home / XP Pro

Floppy Drive
SIIG USB 2.0 9-in-1 R/W + Floppy Card Reader JU-91RW12 Retail
All-in-one drive bay design provides easy access to 9-in-1 memory card reader/writer and a floppy drive
Installs in any available 3.5- or 5.25-inch drive bay (5.25-inch mounting rack included)
Supports CF (Type I/II), Microdrive, SM, SD, MMC, Memory Stick, Memory Stick Magic Gate and Memory Stick Pro memory cards
Perfect for use with digital cameras, PDAs, MP3 players, handheld computers and more!
Dual color Activity/Access LED: RED for flash memory card and GREEN for floppy drive interface
Retail box

Model#: JU-91RW12
Item#: N82E16815150024
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Postby EmilyB » Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:22 am

Why have you chosen the MSI "K8N Neo2 Platinum" motherboard? I cant fault it but Im just curious. I usually look at the ABIT AV8 or the ASUS A8V.

Everything else looks great. Thats going to be a really great system.

Also, go with the eVGA nVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra :)

Postby Peanya » Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:48 am

Don't get the PC4400 memory, get the PC3200. It'll clock better w/ the AMD64, and run at tighter timings.
Also make sure to get a better power supply than the generic one.
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Postby Rabidwerewolf » Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:56 am

I'm with EmilyB here. The Abit AV8 or the ASUS A8V with the VIA chipsets would be a better choice over the MSI board unless your friend is just set on a nVidia nF3 Ultra chipset board.

I would go with the low latency 2-2-2-5 Corsair XMS memory over the other memory he has listed, especially if he plans to do any overclocking, and the eVGA nVidia 6800Ultra over the Albatron video card.

He looks like he has some $$$ to spend. Has he considered waiting a week or two for the new socket939 boards with pci-e. The ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe for $210 and theAbit AX8 with the VIA K8T890 chipset for $145 are available at Zipzoomfly for preorder. I believe Gigabyte and MSI won't be that far behind either with their pci-e boards either. Here are the specs on the boards.

Specs on the boards.

Processors Supported
- AMD Socket 939 Athlon 64/64FX Processors
- 2GHz system bus using Hyper Transport technology
- AMD K8 CPU Cool ‘n Quiet Technology
- VIA K8T890 + VT8237 chipset
- Four 184-pin DIMM sockets
- Dual Channel DDR 400 non-ECC memory
- Supports maximum memory capacity up to 4GB
PCI Express X16 Graphics
- PCI Express X16 graphics delivers up to 8GB/s bandwidth
- Supports 2-channel SATA RAID 0/1 by VT8237
- Supports 2-ch SATA RAID 0/1 by VIA VT6421 PCI controller
- Supports RAID 0/1/0+1
- On board 10/100/1000M PCI controller
IEEE 1394
- Supports IEEE1394 at 100/200/400MB/s transfer rate
- On board 5.1 channels Audio CODEC
- Optical S/P DIF Input/Output
Internal I/O Connectors
- 1 x PCI-Express X16, 3 x PCI-Express X1 and 2 x PCI slots
- Floppy Port supports up to 2.88MB
- 3 x Ultra DMA 33/66/100/133 Connectors
- 4 x SATA 150 Connectors for SATA RAID 0/1/0+1
- 1 x FP-Audio header, 1 x CD-IN
- 2 x USB headers, 1 x IEEE1394 header
Back Panel I/O
- 1 x PS/2 Keyboard, 1 x PS/2 mouse, 1 x COM Port, 1 x Parallel Port
- 1 x S/P DIF Output, 1 x S/P DIF Input
- Audio connector (Surround, Center/Sub)
- Audio connector (Front, Line-in, MIC-in)
- 4 x USB2.0, 1 x IEEE1394 header
- 1 x RJ-45 LAN Connector
- ATX form factor 305 x 245mm (12 x 9.6 inch)
-SATA cable x 4, Ultra DMA cable x 1, FDD cable x 1, I/O shield x 1
- USB2.0 & IEEE1394 bracket cable x 1
- Support CD x 1, SATA Utility Disk x 1
- A5 User’s Manual x 1, B5 Multilingual QIG x 1, uGuru B5 handbook x 1
- Jumper Setting Label x 1

CPU Supported
- Socket 939 for AMD Athlon 64FX / Athlon 64
- AMD64 architecture enables simultaneous 32- and 64-bit computing
- Supports AMD Cool 'n' Quiet Technology
- NVIDIA nForce®4 SLI™
Front Side Bus
- 2000 MT/s, 1600MT/s
- 4 x 184-pin DIMM Sockets support max.
- 4GB DDR400/DDR333/DDR266 ECC/ non-ECC un-buffered DDR SDRAM memory
- Dual Channel Memory Architecture
Expansion Slots
- 2 x PCI Express x16 slot
*SLI mode : x8 , x8
*Default(Single VGA) mode : x16, x1
- 2 x PCI Express x1
- 3 x PCI
SLI - Under SLI mode : support two SLI-ready graphics cards*
- Under Default(Single VGA) mode: supports all PCI Express graphics cards
- ASUS EZ Plug
- ASUS SLI Warning LED
- ASUS EZ Selector
- ASUS two-slot thermal design
- ASUS PEG Link for dual PCIe graphic cards
Storage/ RAID nForce4 Storage:
- 4 x SATA 3Gb/s
- 2 x UltraDMA 133/100/66/33
- NVRAID : RAID0, RAID1, RAID 0+1 and JBOD span cross SATA and PATA
Silicon Image 3114R RAID controller:
- 4 x Serial ATA with RAID0, 1, 0+1, 5 (RAID 5 software patch available, no WHQL)
- nForce4 built-in Gbit MAC with external Marvell PHY :
- NV ActiveArmor
- NV Firewall
MARVELL PCI Gbit LAN controller :
- Realtek ALC850, 8-channel CODEC
- Audio Sensing and Enumeration Technology
- Coaxial/Optical S/PDIF out ports on back I/O
IEEE 1394
- TI 1394 controller supports 2 x 1394 ports
- Max. 10 USB2.0 ports
ASUS AI Proactive Features
- AI NOS(Non-delay Overclocking System)
- AI NET2 network diagnosis before entering OS
Overclocking Features
- AI NOSâ„¢ (Non-delay Overclocking System)
- AI Overclocking (intelligent CPU frequency tuner)
- ASUS PEG Link for single/dual graphics cards
Precision Tweaker:
- vDIMM: 9-step DRAM voltage control
- vCore: Adjustable CPU voltage at 0.0125 increment
- SFS (Stepless Frequency Selection): allowing FSB tuning from 200MHz up to 400MHz at 1MHz increment
- PCIe Frequency: allowing PCIe frequency from 100MHz up to 200MHz at 1MHz increment
- Fixed PCIe/PCI/SATA frequencies.
- ASUS PEG Link for single/dual graphics cards
- ASUS C.P.R.(CPU Parameter Recall)
ASUS Special Features
Post Reporter
ASUS CrashFree BIOS 2
ASUS MyLogo2
ASUS Multilanguage BIOS
ASUS Instant Music
ASUS SLI warning LED
ASUS EZ Selector
4 Mb Flash ROM, AWARD BIOS, PnP, DMI2.0, WfM2.0, SM BIOS 2.3
Back Panel I/O Ports
1 x Optical + 1 x Coaxial S/PDIF Output
1 x PS/2 Keyboard
1 x PS/2 Mouse
1 x Parallel
2 x RJ45
1 x 1394
4 x USB 2.0/1.1
8-Channel Audio I/O
Internal I/O Connectors
- 1 x SLI selector card connector
- 3 x USB 2.0 connector supports additional 6 USB 2.0 ports
- 1 x IEEE1394 connectors
- 1 x Paraller connector
- 1 x COM connector
- 1 x GAME/MIDI connector
- CPU Fan / 2x Chassis Fan/ Power Fan/ Chipset Fan connectors
- Front panel audio connector
- Chassis Intrusion connector
- CD audio-in connector
- 24-pin ATX Power connector
- 4-pin ATX 12V Power connector
Support CD
ASUS PC Probe - PC Health Monitoring Software
ASUS LiveUpdate Utility
ASUS AI Booster
ASUS Cool ' n' Quiet Utility
NVIDIA nTune Utility
Anti-virus software (OEM version)
SLI connector
1 x 1-port IEEE1394 module
1 x SLI retention bracket
8 x Serial ATA cables
1 x SATA Extension module for external devices
4 x 2-port SATA power cable
1 x 2-port USB2.0 / Game module
1 x 2-port USB2.0 module
1 x COM Port module
1 x UltraDMA 133/100/66 cable
1 x IDE cable
1 x FDD cable
1 x I/O Shield
User's manual
Setting Sticker
WinDVD Suite
Form Factor
ATX Form Factor, 12"x 9.6"(30.5cm x 24.5cm)
Note *The two VGA cards must be the same model from the same vendor
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Postby Mr T » Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:02 pm

Avoid the SONY writer, they have pretty poor compatability issues... If you want a good 16x plus dual layer, look at the Pioneer 108D, NEC 3500A or lite-ons offerings (they have 3 DL writers out, 1 12x, and 2 16x - all pretty good)...

IMHO as well avoid the MSI board, Abit and ASUS are a lot better... Value wise Gigabyte are very good as well... (bad experiences with MSI boards, very few have worked properly for me in comparison to other brands, a lot of returns)... It is worth while hanging fire on the motherboard as the next generation are due release (Nforce4 with SLI etc)....
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Postby MGT333 » Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:07 pm

personal experience:

I recently tossed my (754) msi k8n neo plat in the garbage after 5 months of pain. Yes I even RMA'd it once before.

I have installed a (754) ABIT kv8 pro and it's just freakin awesome.

on the memory go with as low of latency pc3200 that you can afford

Memory controller is built into the processor.

Peanya could back me up on this one since he's in the process of writing about the amd64 and memory latency.

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Postby ink » Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:16 pm

I've got to have a little talk with him tonight. I agree with you all.

EVGA Video

Preorder NF4


What psu would you suggest with an NF4?

What is the deal with the fsb differences on the NF4 boards?

Thanks all, please help with the psu and mobo?
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Postby Peanya » Tue Dec 07, 2004 2:27 pm

My favorite PSU's to recommend are the OCZ PowerStreams, and the Tagans (who also makes them for OCZ). However there are many good PSU's out today by Antec and Enermax that are also very noteworthy. I just feel that the Tagan's are outperforming them. At least many overclockers think this. The Ultras are also supposed to be very good, and look even better. There are also some good PSU's that are a bit more budget oriented, but by the looks of many parts in your list, especially the 6800U, you want to get the best you can.
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Postby ink » Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:11 pm

Thanks Peanya, Why is the hypertransport bus 1600 - 2000 on the NF4 and just 2000 on the via?

Lastly , can you suggest a specific 6800u pci-e card?

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Postby Peanya » Tue Dec 07, 2004 5:31 pm

I personally don't recommend any 6800U; PCI Express or not. I just think they're a horrible value. But just about any you can find would be good, as they're rare.
The difference in the Hypertransport speeds is due to the first 3 versions of the chip just not hitting the 1GHz barrier effectively. At least that's how the rumor goes. I'm worried about this, because if this IS true, it means the Nforce boards won't overclock worth a flip at all. That'll end up with many dissatisfied customers expecting their boards to overclock well.
The VIA's are 1000MHz because that's the standard for the LDT bus.
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