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Gaming System Rec for current/soon to be released games, etc

Postby BIGMAN131307 » Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:50 am

I'm looking to build a decent gaming PC. I would like it to play current games out now, and most games that will be released for the next few years. It should be upgradeable if
possible. A few of the PC Games I enjoy are:

Hitman (series)
Batman: Arkham (series)
MAFIA (series)
Assassin's Creed (series)
GTA (series)
Bully
Alan Wake
L.A. Noire
Dishonored (series)
Lucious (series)

I'm not to heavy into FPS games, but I would like to play them if I wanted. Please help me choose the components.

Motherboard?
CPU: AMD or Intel socket?
CPU Fan
Memory?
850W+ Modular PSU
Internal HDD: Western Digital or Seagate or Toshiba?
External HDD: Western Digital or Seagate or Toshiba?
Graphics Card?
DVD-RW &/or DVD-ROM?
OS: Win7, 8, 10?
ATX Mid-Tower or Cube PC Case
Case Fans?
Case Lights?
Soundcard: on board or ?

I'd like to keep the cost of everything under $2500.00 USD If possible I'd like to get most if not all parts from one site.
If you could give me a choice of components, that would be good.

IE: MOBO A or MOBO B
A & B run the same CPU, Memory, etc. But B offers more upgradability.


I'm hoping to build this system within the next 2-3 months.

Thx, :)
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Re: Gaming System Rec for current/soon to be released games,

Postby Mr T » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:47 am

Ok,.....

AMD, look at an FX-8350 ona 990FX motherboard (iuse an ASUS M5A99EVO board, good), chipset dated and AM4 are possibly coming out later.. Or look at an FM2 x4 860K (budget quad core thats really good) on an ASrock FM288X Pro3+ - again dated...

And if you go with the above, crossfire only, no SLi and you are limited to DDR3 RAM...

Intel on the otherhand....

Go with Socket 1151 i5-6600k.. A good CPU for gaming, especially if you go down the Virtual Reality route..

I am still researching socket 1151 boards as I am upgrading soon and want DDR4 and PCIe x16 rev 3.0 and also SLI... I am looking at ITX and mini gaming machine...

Graphics card, got to be an Nvidia GTX 1060 6Gb or better (GTX 1070, GTX 1080 or Titan).. Reason for me is better bang for buck over AMD at the moment, SLI potential and drivers wise, works with Linux, wheras with AMD, the latest linux kernel is very disappointing with AMD!

For me, PSU has to Be Corsair, using more of them now and have been great...

And I won't use windows to play games... Windows 10 is poor, poor, poor for it (hey thats my opinion), howvere as the HTC verve works on it and not linux yet, that is what I am stuck with. If you are just gamming or net surfing go with SteamOS or Ubuntu and run the Staem client throught that...
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Re: Gaming System Rec for current/soon to be released games,

Postby BIGMAN131307 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:54 am

Is there much difference between FM or FM2? What about i5, i7, etc?

I'm way out of the loop with the CPU terminology.

crossfire or SLi

Which one is more popular in games?

Which will perform the longest overall AMD or Intel? I've had my current AMD for over 10+ years.

PSU has to Be Corsair


What's the difference between Gold, Platinum, Titanium?

I am looking at ITX and mini gaming machine..


Is it a realistic goal? Would it be a reliable system?
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Re: Gaming System Rec for current/soon to be released games,

Postby Mr T » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:58 am

FM2 is the later AMD CPU on the FM2 platform (older one was FM1, which has gone by the wayside)... FM2 CPU's are designated in a ceratin way due to most having integrated graphics on the CPU. The Athalon X4 860k has no GPU built in, which does make it more 'overclockable' (hence the K after the name, meaning its unlocked)..

AM3+ on the other hand is the last in line on the AM3 socket and have no ibuilt graphics, and are generally aimed at the enthusiast gamer...

Intel are far more confusing with differently named CPU cores using different sockets... The lastest sockets are 1151 with support for DDR4 and PCI-e rev 3.0...

AMD Crossfire or Nvidia SLI are where two or more video are used in tandem to give a better graphic experience while gaming. I have always found SLI better as Crossfire is very finicky to get going. Both come into their own when gaming at high resolution on big screens, I would like to see how it does on virtual reality!

AMD seem to stick with one or two socket types.. Intel seem to change every other year, but seem to provide better performance, however (BIG HOWEVER) cost a lot more than AMD, so bang for buck is not as good...
Currently AMD have three supported socket types -FM2, AM3+ and a very, very good budget range AM1(equivalent of an Intel ATOM). Intel have three supported mainstream sockets LGA 1150 (defunct now), LGA 1151 and LGA 2013 (may be going, I don't know)...

On the PSU,the ratings relate to the quality of power the PSU delivers and what they are aimed and certified for - comparison. Modular are higher rated to encompass the issues that you get with connectors (you get interference/attenuation at the connectors which may cause an issue with voltage being passed to a component)..


ITX is a great platform for a stripped down machine, do you need 15 USB ports, do you use more than 4 SATA ports, etc etc.. They are very compact and rightly so as they fit a niche in the market for custom gaming machines (look at STEAM Machines, Alienware etc - they look good and work really well), HTPC's , mini servers etc...

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Re: Gaming System Rec for current/soon to be released games,

Postby BIGMAN131307 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:38 pm

Ok, I get the power supply ratings. Gold is A, Platinum is A+, Titanium is A++.


What about optical drives? Do we still need to have DVD-ROM & separate DVD+-RW drives? Or does DVD+-RW also play DVD-ROM now?

DVD-ROM:

ASUS Black 18X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model DVD-E818AAT (DVD-E818AAT/BLK/B/GE)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6827135304

LITE-ON Black 18X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model iHDS118-04
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6827106276

SAMSUNG 18X Internal DVD ROM Half Height model SH-118DB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6827151288

HP Black SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model 624189-B21
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 0ZX1400276

Samsung Electronics DVD-ROM Drive Optical Drives Model SH-118CB/BEBE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 7GS4V60848

DVD+-/RW: ?

Is a Blu-Ray player or Burner necessary?
Blu-Ray: ?
Blu-Ray Burner: ?
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Re: Gaming System Rec for current/soon to be released games,

Postby Mr T » Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:50 am

Depends, do you still used CD's or DVD's.. I tend to but also use USB sticks to load operating systems. If you don't need one, don't fit one or use a USB DVD...

Blu ray drives require software that is licensed (oem'd don't tell you that) and requires updating so you can watch blu ray films... I got a decent offer on NERO platinum and that does it for me, but look at PowerDVD too.. And also if you don't use windows, then blu ray is a pain to sort out..

In essence blu ray is NOT standard and rarely used on PC's unless doing HD work...

DVD drives are cheap and generally all +-RW's..
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Re: Gaming System Rec for current/soon to be released games,

Postby BIGMAN131307 » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:03 am

Mr T wrote:Depends, do you still used CD's or DVD's.. ------------------------------------------- DVD drives are cheap and generally all +-RW's..


Yes I still use Cd's & DVD's. I also have old PC games that I would need to install. Blu-Ray drive was a thought, but it's not needed.

Could I just get a DVD+-RW drive that burns & also plays regular CDs , DVD's, DVD-ROM, etc? Internal drive would be easier to manage space wise.

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To continue with my planned build, I done some searching. I've found some components that I would like opinions on. :)

Are any of these pre-built systems good for what I want to do?

Could I use any of there specifications as a starting point to build the system?
Which? Do I need to change anything?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6883102051
Intel Core-i5-4690K (3.5 GHz)
16 GB DDR3 | 1 TB HDD
Nvidia GTX 980 4 GB
Tt eSPORTS Commander KB/MO
Windows 10 Home 64-Bit

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6883272122
FX-4000 Series FX-4130 (3.80 GHz)
8 GB DDR3 1 TB HDD
Windows 10 64-Bit
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6883272190
Intel Core i7 6800K (3.40 GHz)
16 GB DDR4 2 TB HDD 240 GB SSD
Windows 10 Home 64-Bit
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6883272182
Intel Core i7 6th Gen 6700K (4.00 GHz)
16 GB DDR4 1 TB HDD
Windows 10 Home 64-Bit
AMD Radeon R9 380 4 GB GDDR5

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6883272193
Intel Core i7 6800K (3.40 GHz)
32 GB DDR4 2 TB HDD 240 GB SSD
Windows 10 Home 64-Bit
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6883272127
Athlon II X4 860K (3.70 GHz)
8 GB DDR3 1 TB HDD
Windows 10 64-Bit
AMD Radeon R7 360

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... BFS4DN6364
AMD FX-4300 Quad-Core AMD 760G Chipset
8 GB DDR3 1 TB HDD
Windows 10 Home 64-Bit
NVIDIA GeForce GTX950 2 GB GDDR5

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6883272187
Intel Core i7 6800K (3.40 GHz)
16 GB DDR4 2 TB HDD 240 GB SSD
Windows 10 Home 64-Bit
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6883102038
FX-6000 Series FX-6300 (3.50 GHz)
8 GB DDR3 1 TB HDD
Windows 10 Home 64-Bit
NVIDIA Geforce GTX 750 Ti 2 GB
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PSU:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... gnorebbr=1
CORSAIR HXi Series HX1000i 1000W 80 PLUS

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... gnorebbr=1
EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 PS 220-PS-1000-V1 80+ PLATINUM 1000W

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... gnorebbr=1
Antec HCP Platinum HCP-1000 1000W ATX12V V2.32 / EPS12V V2.92
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Mid-Tower ATX Cases:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811353093
DIYPC D480-BK-Window Black Dual USB 3.0 ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811353098
DIYPC J180-W White SPCC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811353099
DIYPC VT380-W White USB 3.0 ATX Mid Tower Gaming Computer Case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811353090
DIYPC G580-BK Black SPCC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811163272
SilverStone PS11B-W Steel Computer Case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... AGV3X34529
SHARKOON BW9000-W White Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Gaming PC Case
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PC Case Fans:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6835181056
Corsair Air Series AF120 LED 120mm Quiet Edition High Airflow Fan Twin Pack - Blue (CO-9050016-BLED)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6835181046
Corsair Air Series AF120 LED 120mm Quiet Edition High Airflow Fan Single Pack - Blue (CO-9050015-BLED)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6835106416
Thermaltake CL-F049-PL12SW-A 120mm 256 Color (Software Selected) LED Riing 12 RGB Premium Edition Software Enabled Circular Case/Radiator Fan
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Storage Drives:

SSD for OS install & Antivirus: Manufacturer/Size ?

HDD (internal & external) for Media, Games, Misc Programs: WD, Seagate, Toshiba? 1, 2, 3, 4TB



I know this is a long post, but I'm starting from square one for this system. A lot has changed since I built my last system. :o
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Re: Gaming System Rec for current/soon to be released games,

Postby Mr T » Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:36 am

i5-6600K$220
16Gb RAM$88
ASRock Z170Pro4 Motherboard$90
Corsair 850w PSU$110
MSI GTX1060 6Gb Video Card$283
CoolerMaster HAF case$129 - I like the look of this, but most cases are 'in the eye of the beholder' , i.e. I don't have too look at it, you do... :D
Samsung EVO 240Gb SSD$80.. I would use this as the operating system drive - store nothing or very little to 'if it goes down you won'y lose anything aprt from the OS..
Seagate 4Tb drive for storage..$117 Drives are much of a muchness, you can go on about speed and cache, but generally you won't see any real world difference.. Just remember, backup, backup and backup...
Windows 10 Home$99 orwindows 10 Pro$140... Whichever you think you will require.. Most won't use the full features of Pro...
TP-Link Wifi card$40
DVDRW$33

All you need then is keyboard, mouse, speakers and a decent HD monitor...

Hope this helps...
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Re: Gaming System Rec for current/soon to be released games,

Postby BIGMAN131307 » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:54 am

Mr T wrote:Hope this helps...
Yes it does. :)

New PC Specs "so far":

*Case: DIYPC J180-W White SPCC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

PS: CORSAIR RMx Series RM850X 850W 80 PLUS GOLD Haswell Ready Full Modular ATX12V & EPS12V SLI and Crossfire Ready Power Supply
MOBO: ASRock Z170 Pro4S LGA 1151 Intel Z170 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 6M Skylake Quad-Core 3.5 GHz LGA 1151 91W BX80662I56600K Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 530

*CPU FAN: ?

Memory: CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2133 (PC4 17000) Desktop Memory Model CMK16GX4M2A2133C13
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1060 DirectX 12 GTX 1060 ARMOR 6G OCV1 6GB 192-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready ATX Video Card

*SSD: SAMSUNG 850 EVO 2.5" 250GB SATA III 3-D Vertical Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-75E250B/AM

*HDD: Seagate Desktop HDD ST4000DM000 4TB 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive

*ODD: Samsung Internal SATA 24x DVD CD +/-RW DL Disc Burner Re-Writer Drive - OEM Bulk

*Wireless Adapter: -- N/A -- this system is hard wired to my router

*OS: Windows 10 Home - 64-bit - OEM

Keyboard: [X]
Mouse: [X]
Monitor:[X]
Speakers: -- N/A -- can't use them where I live, I also prefer headphones. :)


The case you picked out "Cooler Master HAF 932", was um...ok. :) It had some features I liked but, it's a full tower. I feel the
DIYPC J180-W would be a better fit. That's what I plan to get, unless I find something in local store I like more. :)

Do you think I should get a better CPU fan, or would the stock fan be enough?

Will a 250GB SSD be large enough? How about a 500GB SSD? I plan to use it for my OS, AntiVirus, Video Drivers, etc. Everything else would be stored on the HDD.

Would two 2TB HDDs be more efficient than one 4TB HDD?

Will I have any trouble playing regular DVDs/CDs, DVD/CD-ROMs in the DVD+-RW burner?

As for the OS, I'm still on the fence. Win10 or Linux. :( How well will this system run Linux with Wine for games?



Thx for all your help so far. :)
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Re: Gaming System Rec for current/soon to be released games,

Postby Roach412 » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:09 pm

BIGMAN131307 wrote:*CPU FAN: ?
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Do you think I should get a better CPU fan, or would the stock fan be enough?

Will a 250GB SSD be large enough? How about a 500GB SSD? I plan to use it for my OS, AntiVirus, Video Drivers, etc. Everything else would be stored on the HDD.

Would two 2TB HDDs be more efficient than one 4TB HDD?

Will I have any trouble playing regular DVDs/CDs, DVD/CD-ROMs in the DVD+-RW burner?

As for the OS, I'm still on the fence. Win10 or Linux. :( How well will this system run Linux with Wine for games?


I'm partial to the CoolerMaster Hyper 212 series of coolers. I have a 212+ right now on my rig and it's awesome. I intend on getting the EVO for my next build(not too dissimilar to the one you're putting together here). The stock cooler will be sufficient, but, if you're getting a xxxxK type processor you might as well get a better cooler so you can overclock it.

FWIW, I had my entire OS(win7/win10) and battlefield 4 installed on my main drive using a 128gb SSD. it wasn't the best scenario, but worked for what I needed at the time. I've since updated to having my OS alone on a 128gb, a secondary 128gb for overflow stuff and a 960gb refurb SSD(that I practically stole for the price) for my games library. works awesome, and I have TONS of space yet for games. You obviously don't need to go that big, but just stay in your budget - I'd highly recommend a 128gb for your primary partition, and then just add larger SSDs for your games storage, and traditional HDD's for any document, image or video storage. You get far more GB's per dollar using HDD, it's just not as blazing fast.
you'll not see a difference using 1 or 2 HDDs unless you RAID it.
Regular optical media will work on a burner-type drive.
I'm sticking with Win10, but that's because I have enough to deal with with Linux, Unix and z/OS at work that I'd prefer it be simple and straight to the point on my gaming computer.

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G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 12GB (3 x 4GB)
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OCZ Saber 1000 960GB Enterprise SSD
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