RE: Windows 2000 motherboards

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Postby Uitlander » Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:12 pm

[quote="bdub"]can i ask what you hated about win7?[/quote


As with Vista, there was absolutely nothing I liked about Windows 7. The hidden 'file-edit-view' toolbar? Hated it (took me dang near 3 days to find it)! The over complicated crapola necessary to do simple 'cut n paste' to Word? Hated it! The fact that little of my skill with XP Pro translated over to Vista, and even less worked in Win 7? Hated it! I have nothing good to say about Windows 7, other than it finally got me to see that its nearing time to kick Billie Gates to the curb. Linux Mint is in my not too distant future. Until then, XP Pro will continue to be my security blanket, and Windows 2000 my emergency backup, in case something takes down XP Pro before I'm ready to make the jump to Linux.
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Postby Uitlander » Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:36 pm

evasive wrote:
I don't suppose that since "W2K and XP are nearly identical" any hardware (board/chipset) that runs XP, will run W2K?


No. Some drivers require OS features to be present that are simply not there in windows 2000. It's pretty simple, some features of the newer hardware simply hasn't got a seperate driver that can be installed in windows 2000, it will check for OS version 5.1 or bigger.

If you look back in history, can you remember trying to make USB stuff work in windows NT 4.0? The same trouble will be there for USB 3.0 SATA3 PCIexpress cards and so on for windows 2000... If not now, pretty soon it will be, you can kiss optimal performance goodbye anyway if using some botched up construction to make it work (like HP did for USB in NT4).


I'm not real concerned about making all of todays bells and whistles to work with Windows 2000...eSATA, USB 3, etc., can be handled by XP Pro or Linux Mint. My goal is to make certain the CPU and motherboard/chipset will run it. So the question is:
1. Will Windows 2000 run on my chosen CPU (Phenom II x6 1075T). If not, which AMD processor is my next best choice?
2. Which AMD chipsets and/or Gigabyte boards will run Win 2000, and fit Phenom II x6 1975T (or "my next best choice")? I think board may also have to have 'ACPI BIOS', or so I've been told.
I'll worry about the non-essentials later...one mountian at a time!
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Postby evasive » Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:39 pm

1 Ah, finally. So a socket AM3 chip.
2 Gigabyte fan I see. ACPI is standard since 2001, all boards have at least that or better.

Ok, going to dig in and see what the options are then.
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Postby evasive » Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:49 pm

This:
http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product ... ?pid=3967#
supports your chosen CPU:
http://www.gigabyte.us/support-download ... x?pid=3967
and windows 2000:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/nforce_630 ... 14.10.html
and is cheap as chips as well:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813128529


Now to sort out the AM3 AMD-chipsetted boards from Gigabyte....
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Postby evasive » Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:54 pm

This being the oldest AMD chipset still on offer:
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/produc ... id=3583#dl
no windows 2000 drivers listed except a Microsoft patch...

2. Most hardware/software vendors may no longer offer drivers to support Win9X/ME/2000/XP SP1/SP2. If drivers are available from the vendors, we will update them on the GIGABYTE website.


I think we can cross off AMD/ATi for windows 2000 support completely.
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Postby bdub » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:27 am

Uitlander wrote:
bdub wrote:can i ask what you hated about win7?



As with Vista, there was absolutely nothing I liked about Windows 7. The hidden 'file-edit-view' toolbar? Hated it (took me dang near 3 days to find it)! The over complicated crapola necessary to do simple 'cut n paste' to Word? Hated it! The fact that little of my skill with XP Pro translated over to Vista, and even less worked in Win 7? Hated it! I have nothing good to say about Windows 7, other than it finally got me to see that its nearing time to kick Billie Gates to the curb. Linux Mint is in my not too distant future. Until then, XP Pro will continue to be my security blanket, and Windows 2000 my emergency backup, in case something takes down XP Pro before I'm ready to make the jump to Linux.


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Postby Uitlander » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:35 pm

evasive wrote:1 Ah, finally. So a socket AM3 chip.
2 Gigabyte fan I see. ACPI is standard since 2001, all boards have at least that or better.

Ok, going to dig in and see what the options are then.


Yes, would like to use AMD processor if possible. I wanted to have Chaintech dualBIOS board, but they looked to bit the dust, so Gigabyte 'DualBIOS' is all that is left (Asus DieHard BIOS boards are too hard to research!).

No idea why anyone would tell me to make sure board has ACPI, if all do. Look forward to your advice!
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Postby evasive » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:18 pm

Uitlander wrote:Yes, would like to use AMD processor if possible.




Uitlander wrote:Asus DieHard BIOS boards are too hard to research!


Only boards with a P45 chipset (for Intel CPUs) came with a DieHard bios, somehow Asus has decided to kill that feature, most likely because they couldn't trademark the DieHard brand, I've seen a denied attempt at doing so...
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Postby Karlsweldt » Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:39 am

evasive wrote:Only boards with a P45 chipset (for Intel CPUs) came with a DieHard bios, somehow Asus has decided to kill that feature, most likely because they couldn't trademark the DieHard brand, I've seen a denied attempt at doing so...

That "Die Hard" or "DieHard" name is a registered mark for Sears Roebuck &Co. for a line of batteries. "Die Hard" is also a trade name for a movie series started in 1988. Copyright laws can be complicated. Some people cannot use their given name on a product or service, due to similar or identical company names!
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Well, this one raises some questions...

Postby Uitlander » Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:44 pm

evasive wrote:This:
http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product ... ?pid=3967#
supports your chosen CPU:
http://www.gigabyte.us/support-download ... x?pid=3967
and windows 2000:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/nforce_630 ... 14.10.html
and is cheap as chips as well:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813128529


Now to sort out the AM3 AMD-chipsetted boards from Gigabyte....


but first I should mention that I'm trying for ATX or larger board, if possible. Now concerning your second link, I've a very dum question. What does 'FB' and 'FA' mean in the 'Since BIOS Version' column? And how did you figure out which works with Windows 2000? The motherboard never mentions it. Lastly, are you certain there are no AMD SB7** or SB8** chipsets for Win2k? Nvidia chipsets have a really bad rep with not working for Linux.
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