RE: Windows 2000 motherboards

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RE: Windows 2000 motherboards

Postby Uitlander » Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:06 pm

Microsoft homesite used to have list of motherboards/chipsets known to run Windows 2000 workstation (saw it about a year ago), but now Google can only find their similar list for Windows 98. Anyone know where the Windows 2000 list is hiding? I need to know what my board/chipset choices are for this OS.
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Postby evasive » Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:13 am

Last update was in 2003...
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/services/whql/h ... 000hcl.txt

Latest release from Intel:
http://downloadmirror.intel.com/17949/eng/readme.txt

Intel(R) 910GL Express Chipset
Intel(R) 915G Express Chipset
Intel(R) 915GV Express Chipset
Intel(R) 915P Express Chipset
Intel(R) 925X Express Chipset
Mobile Intel(R) 910GML Express Chipset
Mobile Intel(R) 915GM Express Chipset
Mobile Intel(R) 915GML Express Chipset
Mobile Intel(R) 915GMS Express Chipset
Mobile Intel(R) 915PM Express Chipset
Intel(R) 945G Express Chipset
Intel(R) 945GZ Express Chipset
Intel(R) 945P Express Chipset
Intel(R) 945PL Express Chipset
Mobile Intel(R) 940GML Express Chipset
Mobile Intel(R) 945GM Express Chipset
Mobile Intel(R) 945GMS Express Chipset
Mobile Intel(R) 945PM Express Chipset
Intel(R) 945GT Express Chipset
Intel(R) 946GZ Express Chipset
Intel(R) 946PL Express Chipset
Intel(R) 955X Express Chipset
Intel(R) 975X Express Chipset
Intel(R) G965 Express Chipset
Intel(R) P965 Express Chipset
Intel(R) Q963 Express Chipset
Intel(R) Q965 Express Chipset
Mobile Intel(R) GM965 Express Chipset
Mobile Intel(R) PM965 Express Chipset
Intel(R) 3 Series Express Chipset family
Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset family
Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset family


AMD/ATi last updated their win2k stuff in 2004:
http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/P ... ed-2k.aspx
pretty much everything after that is unsupported, you may find beta drivers or something.

You want to move platform by now...
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Postby Karlsweldt » Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:11 am

You can add the ASRock Conroe 865P mobo to the 'compatible' list. I still run W2K on my primary system, don't want to get involved in all the reinstall problems with going to a more recent OS platform. But finding a "good" board may be a hassle.
With any OS type, if the OS inception (issue) date is newer than the mobo BIOS date, there should be proper compatible drivers in its install library. But any mobo BIOS that is newer than the OS inception date will require a disk of drivers from that specific version. Many versions of the Socket 478 and Socket 775 mobo designs should be no hassle with W2K or XP. Just do a good inspection of the capacitors to ensure they are not bulging, tilting excessively or show signs of leakage. Pass them up as "rotten apples"! More info about the capacitor plague at www.badcaps.net .
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Postby Uitlander » Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:29 pm

evasive wrote:Last update was in 2003...
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/services/whql/h ... 000hcl.txt

Latest release from Intel:
http://downloadmirror.intel.com/17949/eng/readme.txt

Intel(R) 910GL Express Chipset
Intel(R) 915G Express Chipset
Intel(R) 915GV Express Chipset
Intel(R) 915P Express Chipset
Intel(R) 925X Express Chipset
Mobile Intel(R) 910GML Express Chipset
Mobile Intel(R) 915GM Express Chipset
Mobile Intel(R) 915GML Express Chipset
Mobile Intel(R) 915GMS Express Chipset
Mobile Intel(R) 915PM Express Chipset
Intel(R) 945G Express Chipset
Intel(R) 945GZ Express Chipset
Intel(R) 945P Express Chipset
Intel(R) 945PL Express Chipset
Mobile Intel(R) 940GML Express Chipset
Mobile Intel(R) 945GM Express Chipset
Mobile Intel(R) 945GMS Express Chipset
Mobile Intel(R) 945PM Express Chipset
Intel(R) 945GT Express Chipset
Intel(R) 946GZ Express Chipset
Intel(R) 946PL Express Chipset
Intel(R) 955X Express Chipset
Intel(R) 975X Express Chipset
Intel(R) G965 Express Chipset
Intel(R) P965 Express Chipset
Intel(R) Q963 Express Chipset
Intel(R) Q965 Express Chipset
Mobile Intel(R) GM965 Express Chipset
Mobile Intel(R) PM965 Express Chipset
Intel(R) 3 Series Express Chipset family
Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset family
Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset family


AMD/ATi last updated their win2k stuff in 2004:
http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/P ... ed-2k.aspx
pretty much everything after that is unsupported, you may find beta drivers or something.

You want to move platform by now...


Was beginninig to think I had imagined the Microsoft list. Regarding your AMD link, regret I'm not understanding it , as it appears to focus entirely on drivers, while I'm fixated on finding out which AMD (southbridge) chipsets support Windows 2000 Professional. Am I missing something? Or are you saying there is way to find what I need through the drivers?

Regarding your Intel list, I'll keep it on file, and use it as last resort...I really want to use AMD, if at all possible.
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Postby evasive » Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:15 am

From the release notes on the South Bridge driver:
https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/ ... 50406.html

The ATI SouthBridge software driver is designed to support the following ATI integrated product family:

RADEON™ XPRESS 200 series
IXP 300
IXP 250
IXP 200
IXP 150


You will have to distill the actual southbridge chips from this lot:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ATI_chipsets


VIA chipsets:
http://www.via.com.tw/en/support/drivers.jsp
Select Windows, windows 2000, hyperion chipset drivers.

VIA Hyperion Pro Driver Package Dated: 9-Jun-2009
Download version 5.24A
OS supported Windows Server 2003 x64, Windows Vista 32-Bit, Windows Vista 64-Bit, Windows 98, Windows XP, Windows XP 64-Bit, Windows ME, Windows 98SE, Windows 2000, Windows NT
Notes Version 5.24A of the Hyperion Pro drivers includes the following components: INF V3.10A, AGP V4.60A, V-RAID V5.80F and RAID Tools v5.85, VIA IDE Falcon Storage Device driver v2.80A.

VIA Hyperion Pro drivers are suitable for ANY VIA chipset - but they are particularly recommended for KT4## series, P4X4## series and newer, for example:
K7 chipsets: KT400, KT400A, KT600, KT880, KM400, KN400
K8 chipsets: K8T800, K8T800Pro, K8M800, K8M890, K8N800, K8N890, K8T890, K8T890Pro, K8T900
P4 chipsets: P4X400, P4X400A, PT800, PT880, PM800, PN800, PM880, PN880, PT880Pro, PT894, P4M800/Pro/CE, P4M900, PT890
C Series Chipsets: CN700, CN400, CLE266, CX700,CX700M, CX700M2, CN800, CN896
V Series Chipsets: VN800, VN896, VX700, VX800, VX800UT, VX820, VX820UT, VX855


In general I see ever since the release of windows 7 many manufacturers have stopped developing stuff for windows 2000. I am not sure what is limiting you to use windows 2000 but I would strongly suggest you to move to a newer platform like windows 7 32bit. Support for windows 2000 is already severely limited and soon will be stopped completely...
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Postby Karlsweldt » Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:07 am

evasive wrote:In general I see ever since the release of windows 7 many manufacturers have stopped developing stuff for windows 2000. I am not sure what is limiting you to use windows 2000 but I would strongly suggest you to move to a newer platform like windows 7 32bit. Support for windows 2000 is already severely limited and soon will be stopped completely...

Quite true already. The support for W2K and Vista has already ended. Win XP has been given an extended support lease on life, until 2014. But mainly for security issues. W2K and XP are nearly identical in features/functions, but XP was the "newer" version. A 10-year service life is the practical limit (?) for OS versions. Even though still very useful, we have to abandon some nice aspects of life for the "latest and greatest".. even if they aren't so.
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Postby Uitlander » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:10 am

evasive wrote:From the release notes on the South Bridge driver:
https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/ ... 50406.html

The ATI SouthBridge software driver is designed to support the following ATI integrated product family:

RADEON™ XPRESS 200 series
IXP 300
IXP 250
IXP 200
IXP 150


You will have to distill the actual southbridge chips from this lot:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ATI_chipsets


VIA chipsets:
http://www.via.com.tw/en/support/drivers.jsp
Select Windows, windows 2000, hyperion chipset drivers.

VIA Hyperion Pro Driver Package Dated: 9-Jun-2009
Download version 5.24A
OS supported Windows Server 2003 x64, Windows Vista 32-Bit, Windows Vista 64-Bit, Windows 98, Windows XP, Windows XP 64-Bit, Windows ME, Windows 98SE, Windows 2000, Windows NT
Notes Version 5.24A of the Hyperion Pro drivers includes the following components: INF V3.10A, AGP V4.60A, V-RAID V5.80F and RAID Tools v5.85, VIA IDE Falcon Storage Device driver v2.80A.

VIA Hyperion Pro drivers are suitable for ANY VIA chipset - but they are particularly recommended for KT4## series, P4X4## series and newer, for example:
K7 chipsets: KT400, KT400A, KT600, KT880, KM400, KN400
K8 chipsets: K8T800, K8T800Pro, K8M800, K8M890, K8N800, K8N890, K8T890, K8T890Pro, K8T900
P4 chipsets: P4X400, P4X400A, PT800, PT880, PM800, PN800, PM880, PN880, PT880Pro, PT894, P4M800/Pro/CE, P4M900, PT890
C Series Chipsets: CN700, CN400, CLE266, CX700,CX700M, CX700M2, CN800, CN896
V Series Chipsets: VN800, VN896, VX700, VX800, VX800UT, VX820, VX820UT, VX855


In general I see ever since the release of windows 7 many manufacturers have stopped developing stuff for windows 2000. I am not sure what is limiting you to use windows 2000 but I would strongly suggest you to move to a newer platform like windows 7 32bit. Support for windows 2000 is already severely limited and soon will be stopped completely...


Both Google and Wikipedia suggest that the "ATI Southbridge driver" and the "product family" it supports are all either graphics cards, or onboard GPUs. I still don't see how this relates to southbridge board chips that supposedly determine whether or not a given OS is supported by a given motherboard. It appears that you're saying this directly relates to "the actual southbridge chips", but if so, I'm obviously missing something.

Now the 'via.com' link you provided is easy to understand. Unfortunately, Via does not have the best reputation for running Linux; will need to sift through these very carefully.

Well, I tried Vista, and didn't like it; tried Win7 and absolutely hated it, and now its very likely I will not even try Windows 8. That leaves XP Pro, Windows 2000, Windows 98, and Linux. Research on Windows 98 proved it to require too archaic hardware, so passed it by. That leaves Windows 2000, XP Pro, and Linux for my custom-build. Support or no support does not concern me...only designing a build that will for sure run all three operating systems (hopefully at optimal performance). I already have all the hardware info needed on Linux & XP Pro; only need Win 2000 info now to begin buying hardware components. Which I'm desperate to do, as this library is grating on my nerves!
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Postby Uitlander » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:22 am

Karlsweldt wrote:
evasive wrote:In general I see ever since the release of windows 7 many manufacturers have stopped developing stuff for windows 2000. I am not sure what is limiting you to use windows 2000 but I would strongly suggest you to move to a newer platform like windows 7 32bit. Support for windows 2000 is already severely limited and soon will be stopped completely...

Quite true already. The support for W2K and Vista has already ended. Win XP has been given an extended support lease on life, until 2014. But mainly for security issues. W2K and XP are nearly identical in features/functions, but XP was the "newer" version. A 10-year service life is the practical limit (?) for OS versions. Even though still very useful, we have to abandon some nice aspects of life for the "latest and greatest".. even if they aren't so.


I don't suppose that since "W2K and XP are nearly identical" any hardware (board/chipset) that runs XP, will run W2K? That would sure simplify things! Frankly, Microsoft has given me the incentive to teach myself Linux, but failed to cattle-prod me into Vista, Win 7, etc. XP Pro & Win 2000 will suffice, until I can make the leap to Linux Mint.
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Postby bdub » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:37 pm

can i ask what you hated about win7?
my main rig...
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Postby evasive » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:55 pm

I don't suppose that since "W2K and XP are nearly identical" any hardware (board/chipset) that runs XP, will run W2K?


No. Some drivers require OS features to be present that are simply not there in windows 2000. It's pretty simple, some features of the newer hardware simply hasn't got a seperate driver that can be installed in windows 2000, it will check for OS version 5.1 or bigger.

If you look back in history, can you remember trying to make USB stuff work in windows NT 4.0? The same trouble will be there for USB 3.0 SATA3 PCIexpress cards and so on for windows 2000... If not now, pretty soon it will be, you can kiss optimal performance goodbye anyway if using some botched up construction to make it work (like HP did for USB in NT4).
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