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They just look at the clock frequency. Nothing to do with actual performance. And they look at the price tag. The average consumer today buys price, and in their mind, cheaper is better. We've taken quite a few steps back in the last 50 years, haven't we?


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I have built a couple of systems with the "New Duron" CPU and compared to my 1.7 Celeron rig it leaves the Intel way behind. Also I have read somewhere that the Duron's can be o/c to over 2 gigs. Not bad for about £30 in the UK.

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I just dont know why any sane person would want a Duron or a Celron when AMD's Barton processors are so reasonable. Ive only had Pentiums and Athlon XP processors, so maybe I am the ignorant one. It just seems logical that an $89.00 Barton is worth whatever extra amount of money it costs over the potentially sub-par, more economical processors.

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I just dont know why any sane person would want a Duron or a Celron


Because for many people they offer more than enough power for their needs and, combined with a cheaper "all-in-one" type motherboard, the total system price is kept down to a very attractive level.

Most computer users are only doing office/accounting & internet/e-mail with their computers and this type of machine suits their needs and budget perfectly.

As enthusiasts we tend to think that everybody should have a high-end CPU, a 128Mb video card, 1 Gb of memory and 120Gb of hard drive space but these specs are just wasted on the "average" type of computer user.


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Absolutely. This is the very reason I still spend time on pentium 1 systems. Because in some cases that is all people can afford (e.g. for free) and it's all they need (for their calendar and writing letters).

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pentium 1 are so simpl, i love working on those systems. Thats when life was simple , no raid,no agp, not as many fans,and they wernt obsolete 1 week after purchase.


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I like the fans for Intel chips better, but I'm not sure the heatspreader on die is a good idea. I was working on a celeron based system this weekend and the heatspreader had baked itself to the heatsink. Had to pull and pray to get it off


An unfortunate side eefect of Intel using a large heatspreading die which creates 'suction' due to surface tension.....

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so thats why my dad sold so many P133 machines that he had lying around.


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If you think what happend with that celeron is bad, try working with something like ceramique, which has 400 hours of baking on it. Take a screwdriver, apply a LOT of force. Chip shoots off. This is also why many times when you remove a pentium 4 heatsink, the chip comes right with it.


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Also most OEM's use Duron/Celerons because when you're trying to get to a specific price AND make a tiny profit, it's a real challenge! Knocking $10 each off of 8 components in a system at cost is very big.


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