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Re: Let It Snow..

Postby bdub » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:40 am

https://youtu.be/YQMtb1Pd07E

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2014-148

"The collapse of this sector of West Antarctica appears to be unstoppable," he said. "The fact that the retreat is happening simultaneously over a large sector suggests it was triggered by a common cause, such as an increase in the amount of ocean heat beneath the floating sections of the glaciers. At this point, the end of this sector appears to be inevitable."

there's nothing to be done anymore anyhow. 2030, this world will look far different, my prediction. sooner if Greenland ice sheet slips earlier than that.
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Re: Let It Snow..

Postby bdub » Mon Jul 27, 2015 6:14 am

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Re: Let It Snow..

Postby bdub » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:47 am

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ener ... ?tid=sm_fb

headline reads... "Climate change skeptics may be about to lose one of their favorite arguments"

..."expanding Antarctic sea ice is precisely what you would expect to see if the Antarctic continent itself is losing a lot of ice mass from its vast ice sheet, adding to sea level rise."

"As deep ocean temperatures around Antarctic rise, they increase ice shelf melt, according to a study led by Richard Bintanja. This meltwater is creating a cool layer near the surface of the ocean that promotes sea ice production. In addition, the meltwater is fresh, or much less salty and dense than surrounding saline ocean layers. So fresher meltwater floats upward, mixing with the cold surface layer, lowering its density. As this fresh layer expands, it forms a stable puddle on top of the ocean that makes it easier to produce and retain sea ice."

“Effects of freshwater injection and resulting ocean stratification are occurring sooner in the real world than in our model,” they add.

the Hansen paper also just received its first official peer review by one of several reviewers designated by the journal, Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics Discussions – the University of Chicago geoscientist David Archer. And it is a strong review – Archer says that the paper is a “masterwork of scholarly synthesis, modeling virtuosity, and insight, with profound implications.”
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Re: Let It Snow..

Postby BrevCampagnolo » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:56 am

Mind-Blowing Temperature Fraud At NOAA
Posted on July 27, 2015

The measured US temperature data from USHCN shows that the US is on a long-term cooling trend. But the reported temperatures from NOAA show a strong warming trend....


...They accomplish this through a spectacular hockey stick of data tampering, which corrupts the US temperature trend by almost two degrees.

The biggest component of this fraud is making up data. Almost half of all reported US temperature data is now fake. They fill in missing rural data with urban data to create the appearance of non-existent US warming.

The depths of this fraud is breathtaking, but completely consistent with the fraudulent profession which has become known as “climate science”
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Re: Let It Snow..

Postby BrevCampagnolo » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:36 am

The Climate Wars’ Damage to Science

The great thing about science is that it’s self-correcting. The good drives out the bad, because experiments get replicated and hypotheses tested -- or so I used to think. Now, thanks largely to climate science, I see bad ideas can persist for decades, and surrounded by myrmidons of furious defenders they become intolerant dogmas

Complete long-ish article here.
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Re: Let It Snow..

Postby bdub » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:49 am

An important scientific innovation rarely makes its way by gradually winning over and converting its opponents. What does happen is that its opponents gradually die out, and that the growing generation is familiarized with the ideas from the beginning.


— Max Planck


the denier's "science" is not taking into account the differences in this world since the industrial revolution. we have deforested very large amounts of carbon eating vegetation... covered large masses of land with concrete, steel, buildings, etc... and killed off life in our oceans, with carbonic acid that is making reefs disappear, and warming it.

I keep being pointed back to a couple things, sea ice mass, and temps in the US. someone is not looking at the big picture. of course theories change, and we don't know everything, but to flatly deny it happens in indeed very foolish.

if one wants to be ignorant, they will. sucks that it's going to change life as we know it for everyone else.
but like I said, we've hit the tipping point... no looking back now.
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Re: Let It Snow..

Postby bdub » Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:53 am

Germany Just Got 78 Percent Of Its Electricity From Renewable Sources

"If the figures hold, it will turn out that wind and solar generated 40.65 gigawatts (GW) of power on July 25. When this is combined with other forms of renewables, including 4.85 GW from biomass and 2.4 GW from hydropower, the total reaches 47.9 GW of renewable power — occurring at a time when peak power demand was 61.1 GW on Saturday afternoon. To bolster his analysis, Morris points to early figures from Agora Energiewende, a Germany energy policy firm, that have renewables making up 79 percent of domestic power consumption that day.

Renewable sources accounted for 27.8 percent of Germany’s power consumption in 2014, up from 6.2 percent in 2000. The expansion of renewables and another weather phenomenon — a relatively mild winter — led to Germany’s greenhouse gas emissions falling for the first time in three years in 2014, a 4.3 percent year-over-year drop. Greenhouse gas emissions are now down to their lowest level since 1990, according to analysts at Agora Energiewende."

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/0 ... gy-record/

http://energytransition.de/2015/07/rene ... ectricity/
"A look at the trading prices reveals in fact that the German prices were a bit higher that Saturday. Peak and base prices averaged around 1.5 cents per kilowatt-hour in the Phelix zone (Germany and Austria), whereas French prices were closer to two cents. At those prices, the French should have been importing from Germany – but there simply was no need, and any imports would have forced the country to ramp down its nuclear plants even further. It’s further proof of the fundamental incompatibility of inflexible nuclear power with fluctuating wind and solar."

it's not perfect, but the process of getting there is at least happening.

"And the lesson is? Storage, storage and storage again. The big question is: can we develop economic forms of storage?"
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Re: Let It Snow..

Postby BrevCampagnolo » Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:53 am

What They Haven't Told You about Climate Change

Video from Greenpeace founder Patrick Moore
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Re: Let It Snow..

Postby bdub » Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:28 am

http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/0 ... een/198266

1.
"Patrick Moore Is Not A Co-Founder Of Greenpeace. Moore frequently portrays himself as a co-founder of Greenpeace, a title often repeated by the media. But Moore was not a co-founder, as explained by Greenpeace:
Patrick Moore frequently portrays himself as a founder or co-founder of Greenpeace, and many news outlets have repeated this characterization. Although Mr. Moore played a significant role in Greenpeace Canada for several years, he did not found Greenpeace. Phil Cotes, Irving Stowe, and Jim Bohlen founded Greenpeace in 1970. Patrick Moore applied for a berth on the Phyllis Cormack in March, 1971 after the organization had already been in existence for a year. A copy of his application letter and Greenpeace's response are available here (PDF). [Greenpeace, 12/7/10]"

2.
"Moore Has Been An Industry Spokesman For Over 20 Years. Patrick Moore founded Greenspirit Strategies Ltd. in 1991, a communications strategy firm that promotes energy-intensive industries including 'mining, energy, forestry, aquaculture, biotechnology, pharmaceuticals and manufacturing,' and supports 'environmentally sound oil extraction, like is being done in the Canadian oil sands.'"

I think we can all agree that the candadian oil sands project is NOT "environmentally friendly".

http://www.desmogblog.com/2014/07/12/gr ... ounder-all

"Busted.

In many ways, Patrick Moore has built his entire reputation off this myth or, at the least, it has served Moore very well as a powerful talking point.

To be a pro-nuclear energy industry spokesperson or someone who claims there is no scientific proof that climate change is caused by human activity is one thing. In fact, there are lots of people who jump on Fox News and say the things Moore says. But to say such things as a founder of one of the largest, most recognized environment groups in the world is what makes Moore newsworthy. And over the years Moore's story of being a former environmentalist who has seen the error of his ways has gotten him a lot of press."

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/gree ... on-patric/

"While it is true that Patrick Moore was a member of Greenpeace in the 1970s, in 1986 he abruptly turned his back on the very issues he once passionately defended. He claims he "saw the light" but what Moore really saw was an opportunity for financial gain. Since then he has gone from defender of the planet to a paid representative of corporate polluters"
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Re: Let It Snow..

Postby rascard2007 » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:20 pm

Echomaniacs VS Echoterrorists, Who will win?
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