How Socialism leads to problems

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How Socialism leads to problems

Postby thomas_w_bowman » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:08 am

A SIMPLE ANALOGY from a Texas Tech University professor:

An economics professor at Texas Tech said he had never failed a single student before but had, once, failed an entire class. That class had insisted that socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer. The professor then said OK, we will have an experiment in this class on socialism.

All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A. After the first test the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.

But, as the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too; so they studied little. The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around the average was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering, blame, name calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great; but when government takes all the reward away; no one will try or want to succeed. It could NOT be any simpler than that.


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Postby greytrains » Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:33 pm

That is a very good analogy.
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Postby Karlsweldt » Fri Apr 17, 2009 4:31 pm

Simply put, socialism is the fact of a government or ruling Junta having ownership of all monies and properties. The residents of the area are given housing, food, clothing, medical or whatever else they need. But they must work for the "state", and provide what is desired of the ruling entity. In return for their labors, they are given stipends or living needs.. but no monies.

This cartoon should not be regarded as a slight on President Obama.. it is a parody.. but the reasoning within is valid.

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Postby cw4cam » Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:03 pm

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Postby thomas_w_bowman » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:04 am

I'm glad that this analogy was not taken as expressing issues with Obama - I'd have the sense to post that as another topic if needed.

It is noteworthy to consider that the original settlers had the right to starve or die from exposure if they failed to provide for themselves or their families. Harsh, but motivating.
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How Socialism leads to problems

Postby TooMuchTime » Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:42 pm

Here's another analogy on socialism. It has to do with our socialist income tax scheme.

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100.

If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this. The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.

The fifth would pay $1.

The sixth would pay $3.

The seventh would pay $7.

The eighth would pay $12.

The ninth would pay $18.

The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20." Drinks for the ten now cost just $80. The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers?

How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his "fair share?" They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).

The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).

The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).

The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).

The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).

The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

"I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man.

He pointed to the tenth man, "But he got $10!"

"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man.

"I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!"

"That's true!!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D. Professor of Economics, University of Georgia


Socialism is always the worst form of government. A quote from Winston Churchill hits the nail on the head.

"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery."
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Postby BrevCampagnolo » Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:30 pm

"The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."
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Postby CivilDissent » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:32 am

Thomas' analogy is very good and I have read things along that line before.

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Postby BrevCampagnolo » Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:16 am

It's all a matter of degrees. The only governments that don't have some element of socialism are totalitarian.

If you're an American and you're not in the highest tax bracket, your fiscal shortcomings are being subsidized by those who are. In a nutshell, Bill Gates and Steve Forbes finance a larger percentage of the defense budget -- indeed the entire federal budget -- than you do but they only receive the same level of benefit.
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Postby CivilDissent » Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:56 am

If you're an American and you're not in the highest tax bracket, your fiscal shortcomings are being subsidized by those who are. In a nutshell, Bill Gates and Steve Forbes finance a larger percentage of the defense budget -- indeed the entire federal budget -- than you do but they only receive the same level of benefit.


True, for the most part.
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