Automated Voting Machines - Calibrated or not ?

This is the place where all heated debates shall reside. Non-tech topics allowed. Personal attacks will not be tolerated. "Enter at your own Risk".

Moderator: The Mod Squad

User avatar
thomas_w_bowman
Black Belt 2nd Degree
Black Belt 2nd Degree
Posts: 2884
Joined: Fri Feb 28, 2003 2:59 pm
Location: Minneapolis, MN

Automated Voting Machines - Calibrated or not ?

Post by thomas_w_bowman »

Better Voting thru Technology ?
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79565

How the heck could this software be developed so screwy !?

I want to see the Test plan and documented results... :roll:
Better living thru technology...
"Open the Pod Bay Doors, HAL..."
[url=http://www.motherboards.org/folding/index.html]Join Folding team #: 33258[/url]
Roach412
Black Belt 2nd Degree
Black Belt 2nd Degree
Posts: 2760
Joined: Mon Aug 09, 2004 7:33 pm
Location: Milwaukee - Wisconsin

Post by Roach412 »

honestly, how hard can it possibly be to program a frigging voting machine? you have a limited number of inputs (granted, write-ins are technically unlimited) and a set number of steps. how can this not be perfected in over FOUR YEARS?

i swear, college students for a freshman final project should be able to code for this....in a semester! :roll:

-Roach
Lian Li Lancool First Knight Series PC-K59W
Intel Core i7-960 Bloomfield 3.2GHz
EVGA X58 FTW3 132-GT-E768-TR
EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 FTW GAMING ACX 3.0
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 12GB (3 x 4GB)
Crucial M4 128gb SATAIII SSD x2
Crucial M4 256gb SATAIII SSD
OCZ Saber 1000 960GB Enterprise SSD
Corsair Professional Series HX850 PSU
Dell UltraSharp U2713HM 27" w/drop ceiling mount
Logitech G930 7.1 Headset
DBPOWER RGB LED Keyboard
Logitech G402 Hyperion Fury
CivilDissent
Black Belt
Black Belt
Posts: 867
Joined: Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:42 pm
Contact:

Post by CivilDissent »

True, but you have to remember that this is a forum with the majority being computer lovers. Most of us can write, at least, a small bit of code.

There are a lot of people, though, that have absolutely nothing to do with computers and are totally overwhelmed at the idea. Sad to say, in this day and age, but true.

As the matter of fact, when I early voted, a few days ago, there was one lady that had one of the "register" ticket people (the ones who check your SS#, etc.) who had to stand in the booth with another lady and push the button when told what person was picked. Quite amazing.
"A mouth does not have to be open for words to be said or be spoken."

1836
The Year the Greatest Nation on Earth was
Founded!

"Honor the Texas Flag.
I pledge allegiance to thee,
Texas, one and indivisible."
Roach412
Black Belt 2nd Degree
Black Belt 2nd Degree
Posts: 2760
Joined: Mon Aug 09, 2004 7:33 pm
Location: Milwaukee - Wisconsin

Post by Roach412 »

that still doesn't answer the question of "why the eff can't anyone with coding background produce a decent system for voting?"

whether or not people understand how to code, or develop a system or database backend to support a simple front-end doesn't matter. the simple point of conversation is the fact that after over four years of "development" they STILL cannot get the simple matter of "i voted for candidate A/B/C/D+etc" right. it's PATHETIC: PAH-THE-TIC.

-Roach
Lian Li Lancool First Knight Series PC-K59W
Intel Core i7-960 Bloomfield 3.2GHz
EVGA X58 FTW3 132-GT-E768-TR
EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 FTW GAMING ACX 3.0
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 12GB (3 x 4GB)
Crucial M4 128gb SATAIII SSD x2
Crucial M4 256gb SATAIII SSD
OCZ Saber 1000 960GB Enterprise SSD
Corsair Professional Series HX850 PSU
Dell UltraSharp U2713HM 27" w/drop ceiling mount
Logitech G930 7.1 Headset
DBPOWER RGB LED Keyboard
Logitech G402 Hyperion Fury
Ge FOrce 543
BANNED!
Posts: 1239
Joined: Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:49 pm
Location: Peoria, AZ, USA

Post by Ge FOrce 543 »

Well even without watching a minute of the incredible video, I can already tell it's complete crap. Except your loss.
Roach412
Black Belt 2nd Degree
Black Belt 2nd Degree
Posts: 2760
Joined: Mon Aug 09, 2004 7:33 pm
Location: Milwaukee - Wisconsin

Post by Roach412 »

Ge FOrce 543 wrote:Well even without watching a minute of the incredible video, I can already tell it's complete crap. Except your loss.
um...this has nothing to do with politics. gg, please come again.

-Roach
Lian Li Lancool First Knight Series PC-K59W
Intel Core i7-960 Bloomfield 3.2GHz
EVGA X58 FTW3 132-GT-E768-TR
EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 FTW GAMING ACX 3.0
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 12GB (3 x 4GB)
Crucial M4 128gb SATAIII SSD x2
Crucial M4 256gb SATAIII SSD
OCZ Saber 1000 960GB Enterprise SSD
Corsair Professional Series HX850 PSU
Dell UltraSharp U2713HM 27" w/drop ceiling mount
Logitech G930 7.1 Headset
DBPOWER RGB LED Keyboard
Logitech G402 Hyperion Fury
Ge FOrce 543
BANNED!
Posts: 1239
Joined: Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:49 pm
Location: Peoria, AZ, USA

Post by Ge FOrce 543 »

Roach412 wrote:um...this has nothing to do with politics. gg, please come again.

-Roach
A machine used solely for the purpose of voting in a presidential election had nothing to do with politics.
CivilDissent
Black Belt
Black Belt
Posts: 867
Joined: Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:42 pm
Contact:

Post by CivilDissent »

Tell that to the Dems in 2004.
"A mouth does not have to be open for words to be said or be spoken."

1836
The Year the Greatest Nation on Earth was
Founded!

"Honor the Texas Flag.
I pledge allegiance to thee,
Texas, one and indivisible."
User avatar
thomas_w_bowman
Black Belt 2nd Degree
Black Belt 2nd Degree
Posts: 2884
Joined: Fri Feb 28, 2003 2:59 pm
Location: Minneapolis, MN

Post by thomas_w_bowman »

From the shakey results of the Demo (this was not supposed to be a Unit Test, or even a Beta - it was a DEMO), I get the feeling that these devices had better leave a very solid, sequential, audit trail that each voter can reconcile to assure that their votes were registred as cast.

Of course, we all know enough about computing to understand how much easier vote tampering can be with Technology (could even be written to run a 'voter' audit vs 'internal' audit - perhaps tallying different counts to add up to the total voters).

Where I voted, we filled in 'SAT-Type' ballots (fill in the circles 'completely'), still many voters just check or mark an "X" in the circle. But at least at the recount, the paper can be hand-counted - a matter very significant to Norm Coleman and Al Franken right now...

But for a company like Diebold (these guys make ATMs, which usually get it right) to have such crappy performance is astonishing !

Even Microsoft could likely do better (of course, each machine would need DirectX 12.7, 4Gb Memory, and quad 6Gz CPUs - and would probably be slow too...) !

Most forum members could probably do better, for that matter.
Better living thru technology...
"Open the Pod Bay Doors, HAL..."
[url=http://www.motherboards.org/folding/index.html]Join Folding team #: 33258[/url]
Roach412
Black Belt 2nd Degree
Black Belt 2nd Degree
Posts: 2760
Joined: Mon Aug 09, 2004 7:33 pm
Location: Milwaukee - Wisconsin

Post by Roach412 »

Ge FOrce 543 wrote:A machine used solely for the purpose of voting in a presidential election had nothing to do with politics.
yes.

it's a VOTING machine. it counts votes. it has no political affiliations. it doesn't care if it's a red machine or a blue machine. it's - a - machine...which happens to count. that's it. nothing more, nothing less. has absolutely nothing to do with politics.

please, if you're planning on going into computers/programming/system design or anything related to a field which is to be disconnected to the actual MEANING of data take a step back and re-evaluate. it's all just data. stop trying to make something that's simply a matter of counting/reporting and turn it into something that's political.

your argument would have the voting pens dependent upon political affiliations - or even the voting cards. that's really what this is all about, replacing a voting card with a machine that does the same thing. in theory this should make voting more efficient, reduce costs and (again, supposed to) make it less capable of being tampered with.

-Roach
Lian Li Lancool First Knight Series PC-K59W
Intel Core i7-960 Bloomfield 3.2GHz
EVGA X58 FTW3 132-GT-E768-TR
EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 FTW GAMING ACX 3.0
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 12GB (3 x 4GB)
Crucial M4 128gb SATAIII SSD x2
Crucial M4 256gb SATAIII SSD
OCZ Saber 1000 960GB Enterprise SSD
Corsair Professional Series HX850 PSU
Dell UltraSharp U2713HM 27" w/drop ceiling mount
Logitech G930 7.1 Headset
DBPOWER RGB LED Keyboard
Logitech G402 Hyperion Fury
Post Reply