The problem with USB 3.0........

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The problem with USB 3.0........

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Just a quick moan to put things down...

Question:
Has anyone had issues with USB 3.0 where transferring more than about 85Gb of data the drives disappear from Windows10 explorer and the copying fails?

I have had this many times on various USB 3.0 chip sets and enclosures (with various chip sets) when backing up large amounts of data (linux .iso's). It does not happen in Linux (Ubuntu/Mint/Puppy/Openmediavault) only in windows 10 and 8/8.1. So appears to be a massive issue with windows drivers relating to USB 3.0.

I have got enclosures with eSATA and USB3.0 and using eSATA it works like a charm, I am currently backing up 400Gb of data at 59Mb/s on it at the moment. This indicates that the enclosures are not at fault, the USB 3.0 drivers are..
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Re: The problem with USB 3.0........

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And this is how bad it gets... On my Mac book updated to OS X Sierra and lost all contact with USB and Fire wire. Nothing plugged into ports would be dtected. I ended up backing up over a network as it was easier and I didn't have the time to investigate..

When I did investigate, in the command line, all drives were showing up, but not in desktop or any disk utility. I eventually found a solution that involved deleting the drive off the system in the command line, reattaching the drive which forced disk utility to open and forced a drive re format - luckily the data was not valuable.

I have not had this issue in Linux, so all the proprietary operating systems - Windows and Mac OS X - don't seem to have got their act together with removable storage!

Linky to MAC repair..

Link to M$ not understanding the issue!

It sums it up really as most consumers don't back up large chunks of data, but when an issue does arrive from it they are cluless - even Apple Tech support drill out the 'update drivers' thing that doesn't usually work...
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Re: The problem with USB 3.0........

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Remote possibility that the issue is associated to hackers downloading huge video or other files, otherwise known as PIRATING. Likely the programmer(s) did a blanket rule instead of DRM allowances.
Just a wild thought.
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Re: The problem with USB 3.0........

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Mr T wrote:Just a quick moan to put things down...

Question:
Has anyone had issues with USB 3.0 where transferring more than about 85Gb of data the drives disappear from Windows10 explorer and the copying fails?

I have had this many times on various USB 3.0 chip sets and enclosures (with various chip sets) when backing up large amounts of data (linux .iso's). It does not happen in Linux (Ubuntu/Mint/Puppy/Openmediavault) only in windows 10 and 8/8.1. So appears to be a massive issue with windows drivers relating to USB 3.0.

I have got enclosures with eSATA and USB3.0 and using eSATA it works like a charm, I am currently backing up 400Gb of data at 59Mb/s on it at the moment. This indicates that the enclosures are not at fault, the USB 3.0 drivers are..
Sorry for the late reply, I can only comment about usb 3.0 on windows 7 and windows 8. I do no have windows 10 so I can't comment on that. I MOVE some Big Hard drive Space over EVERY weekend. I have Huge Movie files that I transfer from 2 laptops, which are windows 7 and windows 8. I move around 230 gb-300 gb a a weekend. We're talking about 20-30 files, about 23-40 gb in size. These Files are being transferred over usb 3.0, an early version from back in 2012. From these 2 laptops to a 4 TB External Seagate Barracudda Hard drive. No problems for over 6 years. I"m still using the same laptop, still using windows 7, 8 and still buying and using Seagate Barrucda 4TV external hard drive.
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Re: The problem with USB 3.0........

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Have you tried shifting that much data with a different operating system? As this seems like a common issue with windows 10
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Re: The problem with USB 3.0........

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For maximum data transfer speed, all components of the USB link have to meet the USB 3.0 standards. Any part that is of an older standard can throttle the data flow. Cables can be an exception to that rule, but should be fairly new. Excessive cable length can affect data speed.. beyond 10 ft. or 3 m. But possibly the chipset driver is not providing full potential. Did find a note at http://www.tomshardware.com/ as to needing the
Intel USB 3.0eXtensible host controllers
driver, if that type of USB host controller is used.
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